I'm not going off of only what Kennedy said in that video. I've heard and read a lot of the same thing before. Generally speaking, it's the way the demographics level out in this country. I'm not pegging everyone as either big city liberal or country bumpkins, but there is a little bit of truth to that generalization.
Sure, and some democrats are communists. What is your point really? Does it make me an idiot just because I'm not aligned with your way of thinking? Kennedy is speaking on generalized terms about specific ideals. He is taking a few extreme statements and making out that ALL conservatives are the bane of our existence. How else would anyone listen to what he has to say?
Many urban minorities do indeed vote Dem, but not so much because of being informed or uninformed. The Dem message tends to be, or at least sounds, more compassionate. The Rep message tends to be, or at least sounds more like, "if your poor, it's your own fault for not working hard enough". Just look at
McCain and Obama's tax differences. It's no surprise that poorer urban people tend to vote Dem.
Voting for someone because they sound compassionate is being just as misinformed as your country bumpkins. I vote strawman on your passage there. The Democratic message "sounds" compassionate, but only to select groups. That is how they get elected, by appealing to particular types of demographics. The problem with it is that they portray themselves as being for the poor and working class, when in fact, neither major political party appears to truly care about the middle class. The rich get their tax breaks and the poor get the social programs. If Mrs. Clinton would be the POTUS, the middle class would bear the brunt of her universal health care program. Compassionate? I hardly think so.
Honestly, of the many liberal voters I have met in my life, most appear to be so simply because they have been led to believe that the Dems are their salvation and the Reps are the devil. I have spoken with college grads all the way down to the poorest and least educated folk. While a person with a college degree is more likely to be more informed than most, it isn't a defacto standard for all college grads either.
I'm not saying the CNN, NBC, etc are not biased. All the pundit shows on TV have some level of bias.
Something to think about: if you don't agree with a possible bit of objective information I've learned, does that automatically make me misinformed? Are you the informed one? How would you know unless you read up on all perspectives? Have you done that?
Have you? Do you get your information only from left-leaning media? Pundit shows are what they are; the heart of news channels project fairly much the same thing. Read an article on CNN and the same one on Fox. Both pretty much say the same thing.
Everyone is informed and misinformed on various things, myself included. That's why I strive to try and figure things out on my own. I'm always open to change should evidence to the contrary be found, but my currently liberal stance didn't happen by "drinking the koolaid".
Same here, but because I am a conservative, I must be a uneducated idiot. At least, that appears to be the general consensus here.
But don't misunderstand me. I'm not saying that all conservatives are misinformed or that you are in particular are misinformed; all I'm saying is that my liberalish opinions are arrived at by study, research, etc, not because some pundit said so.
The same goes for me on my opinions. But you don't see me going out of my way to make you out to be an idiot.
Here's some
Red vs Blue map stuff.
Here's how
things are lining up this year so far. The website is very lefty, but the graphs and numbers aren't made up. It's all demographics.
So, blue states folks are intelligent and well-informed while red state folks are idiots?
It sounded condescending because it sounded like I said all conservatives are country bumpkins. That's not the case. Also, not all liberals are college educated city people. But many country bumpkins are conservatives, and many college educated city people are liberals.
Sorry, but why are ALL conservatives made out to be idiots? You keep coming off as though you are saying that. Do you notice I am using the word "idiot" because that kinda seems what you are saying. Please, don't tiptoe around it. If you think conservatives are idiots, that's your opinion. It may be a biased and misinformed opinion, but hey, you're a an informed person, right?
It's not weak-mindedness that turned them, it's open-mindedness. And not all of my conservative friends are convince by what I say. Unsurprisingly, it's the true fiscal, constitutional conservatives that are the most solid in their political views. They study and researched and reached conclusions and are open to knew ways and such. I may not agree with them all the time, but they've arrived at their views in much the same way I arrived at mine.
Just so you know, I get my information, personally speaking, from a myriad of sources, not just one news channel. But I will defend my right to watch said news channel. I like to make an informed decision, which is why I visit CNN and FNC, as well as other news sources, to see if stories jibe or not. I am a big boy and I know bull**** when I see it whether it be on CNN, FNC, the newspaper or wherever.
Open-mindedness? As if all liberals are truly open-minded. Would you call it being open-minded when a liberal bashes a conservative because the conservative may be a Christian? Where is the much touted liberal tolerance there? In my opinion, most mainstream liberals are just as staunch in the views as conservatives are, if not maybe a bit more unyielding.
No, it's the ones that call themselves Social Conservatives that are usually the ones that just need a little dose of reality, and after which, usually come around. It's the ones that rail against Evolution for no other reason than they don't understand it and their preacher told them it's evil. It's the social conservatives that think that Obama is a Muslim, just because they read one trashy email and weren't capable of the tiniest bit of critical thinking that would lead them to look it up themselves. It's the people who deny the fact we have an increasingly important issue with climate change because one of the main people voicing the concern is a well known liberal (Al Gore; I mean, if he said it, it must be a far-left conspiracy right?). It's the people who think homosexuality is a choice and think gay marriage will destroy our wholesome American way of life.
There may be some truth there, but all those point have much finer point individually that would require a whole new thread for each major topic.
- Evolution is a theory; a scientifically sound theory but a theory, nonetheless.
- Obama is a Muslim? Last I read, he is a Christian.
- Climate change? I know of noone who says there isn't some kind of climate change. However, it has not been proven as to whether it was influenced by man or that we have any affect on slowing down the said change.
- Gay marriage? My thoughts on the gay lifestyle period is that it is unnatural. Biologically speaking, our bodies were designed sexually for procreation. If not, what is the point of genders?
For the record, I don't really care what religion or faith Obama has, I just don't think he is right for the presidency. It isn't that I think McCain is better, but I honestly have not seen or heard anything good from Obama, as he professes change for the sake of not being like GW Bush and Co. To be perfectly honest, anyone who thinks the President alone has THAT much power and influence over the country is very much misinformed. We have two other branches for counterbalance. And I'd say it's been working fairly well for over 200 years.
I'm not trying to be condescending (except maybe that last paragraph
) to you or any conservatives here. I'm just saying, on the average, that's how the demographics usually divide.
The fact that you are focusing on a select group of conservatives (country bumpkins) and comparing them to another select group (well-educated liberals college grads) shows me a lot of bias. You would feel biased against if I turned the tables on you, which I could do, but what would be the point? It would not portray an accurate representation. No matter what side of the aisle they land on, most Americans, hence most voters, don't know enough about the political scene to make informed decisions on voting day.
