What benefit does the M16A2 have over the M4A1?

NTKB · 1st Jan 2002, 09:14 PM

I was just wondering... why would anyone use the M16 when the M4 comes out?

LifesBane[4C] · 1st Jan 2002, 09:28 PM

None?

Zundfolge · 1st Jan 2002, 09:47 PM

The M4 that will be in INF is the Carbine, it only has a 14.5" barrel, the M16 has a 20" barrel ... so I imagine that accuracy would be the reason to keep your M16 over an M4.

MilkMan_Dan · 1st Jan 2002, 10:23 PM

Exactly, The m4 would play more of a CQB or Medium range role.

peachz · 1st Jan 2002, 10:50 PM

besides, everyone knows the m16 just looks cooler. pshaw.

Beagle_One · 1st Jan 2002, 11:31 PM

M16 is longer, therefore it scares more people when you are holding it instead of that puny little M4.

Technophile · 1st Jan 2002, 11:36 PM

You can get a decent cheekweld with the M16 stock. Don't know how to reflect that handicap on the M4 ingame. Maybe have the character resettle the stock every once in a while?

Edit:
I pity the fool who tries to use a scope with a collapsable stock.

BrownyMan · 2nd Jan 2002, 12:26 AM

The M-16A2 would cost less, have a better accuracy, recoil less, and have a slightly higher power thanks to the longer barrel.

The_Fur · 2nd Jan 2002, 01:22 AM

err... there is no cost anymore in 287, in infwar ofcourse there would be

Keganator · 2nd Jan 2002, 01:22 AM

Sweet!

Gholam · 2nd Jan 2002, 01:27 AM

IDF issues 14.5" barrel M16's to all combat units (except armored corps, some artillerists, and some antiair who get Galil SAR), with the full-size M16's used for training and most non-combat personnell... I imagine the fate of M16A2 in Infiltration will be similar.

ShakKen · 2nd Jan 2002, 02:01 AM

About 150m more effective range and greater lethality and penetration at ranges past 150meters.

Gholam · 2nd Jan 2002, 02:07 AM

AFAIK, it's 300 meters, not 150... even designated marksmen are equipped with 14.5" M16's.

owlofdoom · 2nd Jan 2002, 02:41 AM

do you dare defy the mighty shakken?

:P

Gholam · 2nd Jan 2002, 04:34 AM

Well, I see ACOGs and other scopes mounted on mekutzars (mekutzar = hebrew for shortened = IDF synthesis of M16A1 reciever with 14.5" barrel and telescopic stock), and since IDF doesn't issue scopes to every single infantryman, it means they are designated marksmen, whose mission is to provide fire support at ranges of around 300 meters.

2nd Jan 2002, 04:53 AM

M16 = Real men use em...
M4 = Its in CS...

the real pacman · 2nd Jan 2002, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ShakKen
About 150m more effective range and greater lethality and penetration at ranges past 150meters.

Says nothing more than 150m more effective range and greater lethality ranges at past. Its a shame you know, should you have listened to shakken in the first place, you would know that you just shoved your foot in your mouth, and I wouldn't have to remind you.

Gholam · 2nd Jan 2002, 05:49 AM

I was referring to greater lethality and penetration... to my knowledge, they behave virtually identically up to 300 meters.

ShakKen · 2nd Jan 2002, 06:54 AM

150m.

That's the range where the velocity of a 62 grain bullet out of the M4's 14.5mm barrel with a 1 in 7 twist drops below the muzzle velocity needed to spall reliably on impact.

With the M16A2 it's twice as far.

Effective range with an M4 is pretty much maxed at 400 meters. Best case scenario.

Gholam · 2nd Jan 2002, 06:57 AM

I'm talking 1:12 twist barrels though, with M193 ammo, not 1:7/M855. For some reason unknown to me, IDF has a VERY small amount of 1:7 twist M16 barrels in inventory, I've only seen one once... M855 ammo is used for Negev LMG though.

1st Jan 2002, 09:14 PM	#1
NTKB Banned Join Date: Aug. 25th, 2001 Location: New Jersey, U.S.A. Posts: 2,858	What benefit does the M16A2 have over the M4A1? I was just wondering... why would anyone use the M16 when the M4 comes out? __________________ “I was dead for millions of years before I was born and it never inconvenienced me a bit.” -Mark Twain "Let your speech be better than silence, or be silent." -Dionysius of Halicarnassus

1st Jan 2002, 10:23 PM	#4
MilkMan_Dan I hate you MilkMan_Dan Join Date: Sep. 6th, 2001 Location: De-De-De-Deep in the heart of Texas Posts: 51	Exactly, The m4 would play more of a CQB or Medium range role. __________________

2nd Jan 2002, 12:26 AM	#8
BrownyMan Poet, Gentleman, Infiltrator? Join Date: Mar. 21st, 2000 Location: USA, NH Posts: 706	WellÉ The M-16A2 would cost less, have a better accuracy, recoil less, and have a slightly higher power thanks to the longer barrel. __________________ "Fighting the good fight...for the H&K G11"

2nd Jan 2002, 01:22 AM	#9
The_Fur Back in black Join Date: Nov. 2nd, 2000 Posts: 6,205	err... there is no cost anymore in 287, in infwar ofcourse there would be __________________ "States are not moral agents; those who attribute to them ideals and principles merely mislead themselves and others." -Noam Chomsky "Ignorance, and admiration arising from ignorance, are the parents of devotion and obedience" -Dostoyevski

2nd Jan 2002, 01:22 AM	#10
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1st Jan 2002, 09:28 PM	#2
LifesBane[4C] Registered User Join Date: Sep. 27th, 1999 Posts: 3,125	None?

1st Jan 2002, 09:47 PM	#3
Zundfolge Registered User Join Date: Dec. 13th, 1999 Location: USA Posts: 5,703	The M4 that will be in INF is the Carbine, it only has a 14.5" barrel, the M16 has a 20" barrel ... so I imagine that accuracy would be the reason to keep your M16 over an M4.

1st Jan 2002, 10:50 PM	#5
peachz BANNED Join Date: Sep. 7th, 2001 Location: Mmmm... zen.... Posts: 787	besides, everyone knows the m16 just looks cooler. pshaw.

1st Jan 2002, 11:31 PM	#6
Beagle_One not so shinmai Join Date: Apr. 1st, 2001 Location: The Land of Rising Sun Posts: 1,118	M16 is longer, therefore it scares more people when you are holding it instead of that puny little M4.

1st Jan 2002, 11:36 PM	#7
Technophile Look, location works again! Join Date: Oct. 31st, 2000 Location: Texas, USA Posts: 176	You can get a decent cheekweld with the M16 stock. Don't know how to reflect that handicap on the M4 ingame. Maybe have the character resettle the stock every once in a while? Edit: I pity the fool who tries to use a scope with a collapsable stock.

2nd Jan 2002, 01:27 AM	#11
Gholam Sergeant (Reserve), IDF Join Date: Jun. 19th, 2001 Location: Rehovot, Israel Posts: 862	IDF issues 14.5" barrel M16's to all combat units (except armored corps, some artillerists, and some antiair who get Galil SAR), with the full-size M16's used for training and most non-combat personnell... I imagine the fate of M16A2 in Infiltration will be similar.

2nd Jan 2002, 02:07 AM	#13
Gholam Sergeant (Reserve), IDF Join Date: Jun. 19th, 2001 Location: Rehovot, Israel Posts: 862	AFAIK, it's 300 meters, not 150... even designated marksmen are equipped with 14.5" M16's.

2nd Jan 2002, 02:41 AM	#14
owlofdoom Registered User Join Date: Mar. 18th, 2000 Posts: 576	do you dare defy the mighty shakken? :P __________________ Dancing on the corpse's ashes.

2nd Jan 2002, 04:34 AM	#15
Gholam Sergeant (Reserve), IDF Join Date: Jun. 19th, 2001 Location: Rehovot, Israel Posts: 862	Well, I see ACOGs and other scopes mounted on mekutzars (mekutzar = hebrew for shortened = IDF synthesis of M16A1 reciever with 14.5" barrel and telescopic stock), and since IDF doesn't issue scopes to every single infantryman, it means they are designated marksmen, whose mission is to provide fire support at ranges of around 300 meters.

2nd Jan 2002, 04:53 AM	#16
"Sp!ke" Guest Posts: n/a	M16 = Real men use em... M4 = Its in CS...

2nd Jan 2002, 05:49 AM	#18
Gholam Sergeant (Reserve), IDF Join Date: Jun. 19th, 2001 Location: Rehovot, Israel Posts: 862	I was referring to greater lethality and penetration... to my knowledge, they behave virtually identically up to 300 meters.

2nd Jan 2002, 06:57 AM	#20
Gholam Sergeant (Reserve), IDF Join Date: Jun. 19th, 2001 Location: Rehovot, Israel Posts: 862	I'm talking 1:12 twist barrels though, with M193 ammo, not 1:7/M855. For some reason unknown to me, IDF has a VERY small amount of 1:7 twist M16 barrels in inventory, I've only seen one once... M855 ammo is used for Negev LMG though.

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