Jesus was a Socialist

Mad_Dog · 12th Dec 2001, 02:32 PM

this is something i've often wondered about... most of Jesus' teachings could be called socialist: give to the poor, help those in need, an emphasis on keeping to the necessities of life. however, most religous people are right wing in their political beliefs: all for capitalism, no health care, a de-emphasis on social services, what i would call the opposite of Christ's teachings. what's your thoughts?

Infguy98 · 12th Dec 2001, 02:34 PM

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Keganator · 12th Dec 2001, 02:37 PM

Stupid people make up most people...

RogueLeader · 12th Dec 2001, 02:38 PM

Marx refered to Christianity as a version of feudal socialism, because it often supported the rich and the powerful aristocrats being in power. That refers to the Christianity of today. Christianity used to a simple religion; Jesus' teachings primarily centered around having a simple, personal relationship with God, rather than relying on superstitious prayer rituals or a church. The Christianity of today is a form that has been corrupted by the power it gained in the Middle Ages.

Jesus' Christianity, I would say had socialist tendencies, but was not totally socialist.

As far as the modern Christianity, I will quote from the Communist Manifesto:

"In political practice, therefore, they [Feudal Socialists] join in all corrective measures against the working class; and in ordinary life, despite their high-falutin phrases, they stoop to pick up the golden apples dropped from the tree of industry, and to barter truth, love, and honour, for traffic in wool, beetroot-sugar, and potato spirits.

As the parson has ever gone hand in hand with the landlord, so has clerical socialism with feudal socialism.

Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a socialist tinge. Has not Christianity declaimed against private property, against marriage, against the state? Has it not preached in the place of these, charity and poverty, celibacy and mortification of the flesh, monastic life and Mother Church? Christian socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat."

The_Fur · 12th Dec 2001, 02:50 PM

for thaat very reason Nietzsche heaps socialists with the christians, both believe the same non-sence of worldwide equality (in theory at least). Both teachings can only really function in a backward society, both would have the same detrimental effect on mankind.

BIG_MONKEY_JR · 12th Dec 2001, 04:16 PM

At a bible study we came upon this, it was funny because everybody wanted to ignore it because they're parents worship our government (none of us were over 17, and I was one of the few people there who dosen't beleive everything parents say, to them, whatever their parents say is the truth, that's annoying). After us reading a few verses from the bible I said "So God isn't democratic" I got some interesting looks from that.

OpFor · 12th Dec 2001, 05:32 PM

Heh, the irony, Pres. Bush saying "In God We Trust" while god is similar too a communiat.

The_Fur · 12th Dec 2001, 05:36 PM

god isn't (from the standpoint that god even exists), he is clearly superiour to all men, he is (supposedly) omniscient and omnimpresent and on top of that all men should do as he says or end up in hell, he sounds more like a dictator to me... my kind of guy.

Mad_Dog · 12th Dec 2001, 05:51 PM

christianity sure as hell isn't a democracy...

Sweep · 12th Dec 2001, 06:50 PM

At least we know where he stands on the right to bear arms: "And him who hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." - Jesus Christ

Snake13 · 12th Dec 2001, 07:06 PM

aren't these stupid christian organization leading te fight to take away our right to bear arms?

Sweep · 12th Dec 2001, 08:34 PM

Not that I'm aware of. Most of the anti's are hardcore liberals, which battle the christian right on just about everything as well...

12th Dec 2001, 02:32 PM	#1
Mad_Dog Voice Of Reason Join Date: Mar. 27th, 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 2,216	Jesus was a Socialist this is something i've often wondered about... most of Jesus' teachings could be called socialist: give to the poor, help those in need, an emphasis on keeping to the necessities of life. however, most religous people are right wing in their political beliefs: all for capitalism, no health care, a de-emphasis on social services, what i would call the opposite of Christ's teachings. what's your thoughts? __________________ Aldous Huxley said that an intellectual was a person who had discovered something more interesting than sex. A civilized man, it might be said, is someone who has discovered something more satisfying than combat. -John Keegan, A History of Warfare

12th Dec 2001, 02:34 PM	#2
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12th Dec 2001, 02:37 PM	#3
Keganator White as Snow Moderator Join Date: Jun. 19th, 2001 Location: PR's Barracks Posts: 5,261	Stupid people make up most people... __________________ --\|\| Sluggy Freelance \|\| The Infiltration Forum Guidelines \|\| Kegnet \|\| Clan Phoenix Rising \|\|-- PsychoMoogieBagpuss: "...we are implementing an updated [forum] policy." ZenPirate: "I suggested that we not only ban [offenders], but also ban the forumer next to them." Arethusa: "So you're (at least largely) a diest?" NTKB: "No im a logical thinking christian"

12th Dec 2001, 02:38 PM	#4
RogueLeader Tama-chan says, "aurf aurf aurf!" Join Date: Oct. 19th, 2000 Location: Indiana. Kill me please. Posts: 5,314	Marx refered to Christianity as a version of feudal socialism, because it often supported the rich and the powerful aristocrats being in power. That refers to the Christianity of today. Christianity used to a simple religion; Jesus' teachings primarily centered around having a simple, personal relationship with God, rather than relying on superstitious prayer rituals or a church. The Christianity of today is a form that has been corrupted by the power it gained in the Middle Ages. Jesus' Christianity, I would say had socialist tendencies, but was not totally socialist. As far as the modern Christianity, I will quote from the Communist Manifesto: "In political practice, therefore, they [Feudal Socialists] join in all corrective measures against the working class; and in ordinary life, despite their high-falutin phrases, they stoop to pick up the golden apples dropped from the tree of industry, and to barter truth, love, and honour, for traffic in wool, beetroot-sugar, and potato spirits. As the parson has ever gone hand in hand with the landlord, so has clerical socialism with feudal socialism. Nothing is easier than to give Christian asceticism a socialist tinge. Has not Christianity declaimed against private property, against marriage, against the state? Has it not preached in the place of these, charity and poverty, celibacy and mortification of the flesh, monastic life and Mother Church? Christian socialism is but the holy water with which the priest consecrates the heart-burnings of the aristocrat." __________________ <SaraP> I have no interest in putting pocky, of any flavor, in my panties

12th Dec 2001, 02:50 PM	#5
The_Fur Back in black Join Date: Nov. 2nd, 2000 Posts: 6,205	for thaat very reason Nietzsche heaps socialists with the christians, both believe the same non-sence of worldwide equality (in theory at least). Both teachings can only really function in a backward society, both would have the same detrimental effect on mankind. __________________ "States are not moral agents; those who attribute to them ideals and principles merely mislead themselves and others." -Noam Chomsky "Ignorance, and admiration arising from ignorance, are the parents of devotion and obedience" -Dostoyevski

12th Dec 2001, 04:16 PM	#6
BIG_MONKEY_JR Registered User Join Date: Apr. 1st, 2001 Posts: 161	At a bible study we came upon this, it was funny because everybody wanted to ignore it because they're parents worship our government (none of us were over 17, and I was one of the few people there who dosen't beleive everything parents say, to them, whatever their parents say is the truth, that's annoying). After us reading a few verses from the bible I said "So God isn't democratic" I got some interesting looks from that.

12th Dec 2001, 05:32 PM	#7
OpFor Feeling suicide, thats O.K. Join Date: Apr. 26th, 2001 Posts: 1,198	Heh, the irony, Pres. Bush saying "In God We Trust" while god is similar too a communiat. __________________ "You like what you see, its hard to explain."- The Strokes

12th Dec 2001, 05:36 PM	#8
The_Fur Back in black Join Date: Nov. 2nd, 2000 Posts: 6,205	god isn't (from the standpoint that god even exists), he is clearly superiour to all men, he is (supposedly) omniscient and omnimpresent and on top of that all men should do as he says or end up in hell, he sounds more like a dictator to me... my kind of guy. __________________ "States are not moral agents; those who attribute to them ideals and principles merely mislead themselves and others." -Noam Chomsky "Ignorance, and admiration arising from ignorance, are the parents of devotion and obedience" -Dostoyevski

12th Dec 2001, 05:51 PM	#9
Mad_Dog Voice Of Reason Join Date: Mar. 27th, 2001 Location: Soviet Canuckistan Posts: 2,216	christianity sure as hell isn't a democracy... __________________ Aldous Huxley said that an intellectual was a person who had discovered something more interesting than sex. A civilized man, it might be said, is someone who has discovered something more satisfying than combat. -John Keegan, A History of Warfare

12th Dec 2001, 06:50 PM	#10
Sweep Registered User Join Date: Jul. 25th, 2001 Posts: 290	At least we know where he stands on the right to bear arms: "And him who hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one." - Jesus Christ

12th Dec 2001, 07:06 PM	#11
Snake13 Sniper Join Date: Aug. 5th, 2000 Location: MA, USA Posts: 1,658	aren't these stupid christian organization leading te fight to take away our right to bear arms? __________________ "To be prepared for war is the most effectual means of preserving peace." -George Washington

12th Dec 2001, 08:34 PM	#12
Sweep Registered User Join Date: Jul. 25th, 2001 Posts: 290	Not that I'm aware of. Most of the anti's are hardcore liberals, which battle the christian right on just about everything as well...

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