really delete the file

Zundfolge · 7th Feb 2001, 11:29 PM

What's the best way to go about deleting a file on a PC so that it cannot be "undeleted"?

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Keiichi · 7th Feb 2001, 11:38 PM

Simple. Take your hard drive out, bash it with a hammer, take a blow torch to it for a couple minutes, and then drop it in a vat of sulfuric acid.

-Keiichi

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-Mayhem- · 8th Feb 2001, 12:05 AM

Boot the Computer in DOS, and do it there.

ShakKen · 8th Feb 2001, 02:37 AM

learn to empty your recycle bin

Dark Knight · 8th Feb 2001, 03:37 AM

---Zund
Best way to totally delete a file is as follows....

1) Go into Dos (or a Win NT/2000) command prompt.
2) Make a note of the size of the file you want to delete.
3) Delete the file.
4) Make a new file that is slightly smaller than the one you have just deleted.

I dont know how much you know about (Windows/Dos) file systems so I'll explain the logic behind the above.

When you delete a file from your harddisk, all that is removed is the file header - the contents of the file are still there but because windows/dos doesnt see a file header it ignores the file (there are disk recovery progs that will recover these files). This "headerless" file remains on your harddisk untill you do one of two things a) defrag the disk or b) write a new file to the same area of the disk. Once a new file is written to the disk the old one is gone for good.
This only applies to Fat16/Fat32 disks, I'm not sure how NTFS handels things.

:~)

I used to rock and roll all night and party every day. Then it was every other day. Now I'm lucky if I can find half an hour a week in which to get funky.
-- Homer J. Simpson

Galaddin · 8th Feb 2001, 07:46 AM

You could always try rebooting windows in safe mode or DOS. You never know what files certain apps are using but generally you don't wanna mess with 'undeletable' files.

It's a wise person who knows the difference between free speech and cheap talk.

Lord_Bunker · 8th Feb 2001, 10:01 AM

there are a few few progs you can download to do it. basically you need to delete it and then get it to right over that sector. keiichi you suggestion wouldn't work, there are places that specialize in data recovery and all they do is pull info from computers that have been in a building that burnt down. it's pretty supprising how much they can recover and how bad a disk can get.

FEAR!
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owlofdoom · 8th Feb 2001, 07:21 PM

do you have win 98? if you right click on your hard drive, there is an option to "clear free space", but empty your recyce bin first

btw, just what do you need deleting so badly?

ThunderChunky · 8th Feb 2001, 07:25 PM

pr0n...

And now I will run quickly to avoid the wrath of Zundfolge...

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Goat Fucker · 8th Feb 2001, 07:39 PM

Keiichi...i think u went a bit overboard, all u gotta do to destroy a hard-disk, is open it!

Fighting the ****ing censorship!

Zundfolge · 8th Feb 2001, 07:47 PM

Actualy it's not on my computer.

It's on computer of the dead husband of a friend of my mothers, she found a second copy of his will and want's it super-erased so that the original will can't be contested.

I'm not sure whether or not it's win95, 98, MO, 2000, or NT. I imagine it's 95 or 98.

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deathren · 8th Feb 2001, 07:57 PM

I'm always telling you people! It is porn, not "Pr0n"!

Lizzy Borden took an axe...

NRA · 10th Feb 2001, 11:24 AM

Highlight the file and hold shift then press the delete key. It will ask you if you want to delete the file (rather than if you want to send it to the recycle bin) and after you press ok it is permanently erased from your computer.

N.R.A.

I_ABuGa · 11th Feb 2001, 10:16 AM

huh?
1. remove harddisk from PC chasis.
2. take 8 Kg hammer and smack the sucker a good one.
3. take to high place and drop.
4. ensure that interior magnetic disks are truly scrapped.
5. bury it with the bugger who owns it... owned it.

alternately, first empty the recycle bin, then defrag the HD.
Delete the file in question.
Empty your recycle bin again.
Log on to the internet and start downloading some pr0n, about 15 megs should be enuf.
Defrag the hard disk again, then remove the pr0n, empty recycle bin.

Zundfolge · 11th Feb 2001, 10:57 AM

well I found what I needed, it's called BCWipe

http://www.jetico.com/index.htm#/bcwipe.htm

The Department of Defense actualy has a standard for the secure deletion of files ->
DOD 5200.28-STD

It requires that a file be deleted, and then overwritten 7 times with random data.

That's what I was looking for

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T101 · 11th Feb 2001, 11:44 AM

Another way to really clean out your HD is to wash it. No better way to get rid of those rusty magnetic particles than soap!

Earth, Soul, Rock 'n Roll

phatcat · 11th Feb 2001, 01:44 PM

if it was up to me, I would copy the information that was important to another harddrive. take the old hard drive. open it. take a peice of steel wool, take each disk out, rub the disks. throw the disks in another trashcan that was not mine (work friends, ect.)

no more incriminating information.

thornz · 11th Feb 2001, 09:37 PM

Norton Utilities for mac comes with Wipe, which does that ovewrite thing. It seems like incredible overkill though.

"e phallous maos e magnu est"
-the dirty monk

ThunderChunky · 11th Feb 2001, 09:39 PM

Standard Operating Procedure for destroying disks with sensitive data on them:

1) Degauss the crap out of them.
2) Burn them.

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7th Feb 2001, 11:29 PM	#1
Zundfolge Registered User Join Date: Dec. 13th, 1999 Location: USA Posts: 5,703	really delete the file What's the best way to go about deleting a file on a PC so that it cannot be "undeleted"? <center></center>

8th Feb 2001, 07:39 PM	#10
Goat Fucker No Future! Join Date: Aug. 18th, 2000 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,625	Keiichi...i think u went a bit overboard, all u gotta do to destroy a hard-disk, is open it! <font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" color="white"size="2"><span style="font-size:10pt;width:100%;height:40pt;text-align:left;filter:wave(freq=2,strength=5,phase=3,lightstrength=20)color="black"><span on_mouseover="this.style.color='white'"onMouseout="this.style.color='white'">Fighting the ****ing censorship!</span></font>

8th Feb 2001, 07:47 PM	#11
Zundfolge Registered User Join Date: Dec. 13th, 1999 Location: USA Posts: 5,703	Actualy it's not on my computer. It's on computer of the dead husband of a friend of my mothers, she found a second copy of his will and want's it super-erased so that the original will can't be contested. I'm not sure whether or not it's win95, 98, MO, 2000, or NT. I imagine it's 95 or 98. <center></center>

11th Feb 2001, 10:57 AM	#15
Zundfolge Registered User Join Date: Dec. 13th, 1999 Location: USA Posts: 5,703	well I found what I needed, it's called BCWipe http://www.jetico.com/index.htm#/bcwipe.htm The Department of Defense actualy has a standard for the secure deletion of files -> DOD 5200.28-STD It requires that a file be deleted, and then overwritten 7 times with random data. That's what I was looking for <center></center>

11th Feb 2001, 09:37 PM	#18
thornz Inhuman...yes indeed Join Date: Dec. 14th, 1999 Location: outer circle of hades Posts: 405	yeah Norton Utilities for mac comes with Wipe, which does that ovewrite thing. It seems like incredible overkill though. "e phallous maos e magnu est" -the dirty monk

7th Feb 2001, 11:38 PM	#2
Keiichi Old Timer Join Date: Mar. 13th, 2000 Posts: 3,331	Simple. Take your hard drive out, bash it with a hammer, take a blow torch to it for a couple minutes, and then drop it in a vat of sulfuric acid. -Keiichi http://www.geocities.com/morisato_81/

8th Feb 2001, 12:05 AM	#3
-Mayhem- -Godlike- Join Date: Aug. 30th, 2000 Posts: 1,166	Boot the Computer in DOS, and do it there.

8th Feb 2001, 02:37 AM	#4
ShakKen Specops Spook Join Date: Jan. 11th, 2000 Posts: 3,608	learn to empty your recycle bin

8th Feb 2001, 03:37 AM	#5
Dark Knight Registered User Join Date: Mar. 29th, 2001 Posts: 182	---Zund Best way to totally delete a file is as follows.... 1) Go into Dos (or a Win NT/2000) command prompt. 2) Make a note of the size of the file you want to delete. 3) Delete the file. 4) Make a new file that is slightly smaller than the one you have just deleted. I dont know how much you know about (Windows/Dos) file systems so I'll explain the logic behind the above. When you delete a file from your harddisk, all that is removed is the file header - the contents of the file are still there but because windows/dos doesnt see a file header it ignores the file (there are disk recovery progs that will recover these files). This "headerless" file remains on your harddisk untill you do one of two things a) defrag the disk or b) write a new file to the same area of the disk. Once a new file is written to the disk the old one is gone for good. This only applies to Fat16/Fat32 disks, I'm not sure how NTFS handels things. :~) I used to rock and roll all night and party every day. Then it was every other day. Now I'm lucky if I can find half an hour a week in which to get funky. -- Homer J. Simpson

8th Feb 2001, 07:46 AM	#6
Galaddin Forum Drifter Join Date: Mar. 15th, 2000 Location: Malaysia Posts: 1,893	You could always try rebooting windows in safe mode or DOS. You never know what files certain apps are using but generally you don't wanna mess with 'undeletable' files. It's a wise person who knows the difference between free speech and cheap talk.

8th Feb 2001, 10:01 AM	#7
Lord_Bunker Registered User Join Date: Apr. 18th, 2000 Posts: 1,811	there are a few few progs you can download to do it. basically you need to delete it and then get it to right over that sector. keiichi you suggestion wouldn't work, there are places that specialize in data recovery and all they do is pull info from computers that have been in a building that burnt down. it's pretty supprising how much they can recover and how bad a disk can get. FEAR! http://www.geocities.com/lord_bunker/

8th Feb 2001, 07:21 PM	#8
owlofdoom Registered User Join Date: Mar. 18th, 2000 Posts: 576	do you have win 98? if you right click on your hard drive, there is an option to "clear free space", but empty your recyce bin first btw, just what do you need deleting so badly?

8th Feb 2001, 07:25 PM	#9
ThunderChunky L337 Cube H@X0® Join Date: Jul. 1st, 2000 Posts: 1,086	pr0n... And now I will run quickly to avoid the wrath of Zundfolge... <html><center> The Third Reich WWII Mod </html></center>

8th Feb 2001, 07:57 PM	#12
deathren Dusty ****er. Join Date: Nov. 26th, 1999 Location: Anchorage, Alaska Posts: 1,330	I'm always telling you people! It is porn, not "Pr0n"! Lizzy Borden took an axe...

10th Feb 2001, 11:24 AM	#13
NRA Registered User Join Date: Apr. 27th, 2000 Posts: 68	Highlight the file and hold shift then press the delete key. It will ask you if you want to delete the file (rather than if you want to send it to the recycle bin) and after you press ok it is permanently erased from your computer. N.R.A.

11th Feb 2001, 10:16 AM	#14
I_ABuGa Vetran Join Date: Apr. 27th, 2000 Location: Malaysia Posts: 1,442	huh? 1. remove harddisk from PC chasis. 2. take 8 Kg hammer and smack the sucker a good one. 3. take to high place and drop. 4. ensure that interior magnetic disks are truly scrapped. 5. bury it with the bugger who owns it... owned it. alternately, first empty the recycle bin, then defrag the HD. Delete the file in question. Empty your recycle bin again. Log on to the internet and start downloading some pr0n, about 15 megs should be enuf. Defrag the hard disk again, then remove the pr0n, empty recycle bin.

11th Feb 2001, 11:44 AM	#16
T101 Registered User Join Date: Mar. 15th, 2000 Posts: 236	Another way to really clean out your HD is to wash it. No better way to get rid of those rusty magnetic particles than soap! Earth, Soul, Rock 'n Roll

11th Feb 2001, 01:44 PM	#17
phatcat akward cat Join Date: Dec. 29th, 2000 Location: Houston, Tx. If sending hatemail... Paris, France Posts: 9,355	if it was up to me, I would copy the information that was important to another harddrive. take the old hard drive. open it. take a peice of steel wool, take each disk out, rub the disks. throw the disks in another trashcan that was not mine (work friends, ect.) no more incriminating information.

11th Feb 2001, 09:39 PM	#19
ThunderChunky L337 Cube H@X0® Join Date: Jul. 1st, 2000 Posts: 1,086	Standard Operating Procedure for destroying disks with sensitive data on them: 1) Degauss the crap out of them. 2) Burn them. <html><center> The Third Reich WWII Mod </html></center>

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