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Old 26th Feb 2001, 02:12 PM   #1
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Metallica,Napster

After the Napster deal with Metallica you..
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Old 26th Feb 2001, 02:16 PM   #2
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Their is so much napster like progies out there that it won't mak a real big difference if napster shuts down.
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Old 26th Feb 2001, 02:20 PM   #3
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thats true

People will always find a way to get music for free.Im just sick of people bitching about what Metallica did,most of my friends made a big deal over this and hate metallica now.Im just curious of what people think.
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Old 26th Feb 2001, 03:00 PM   #4
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I never liked Metallica to begin with. This just proves how pathetic they are. Napster was shown to increase cd sales- so Napster got Metallica more money. And how does Metallica repay them? They sue them to steal even more. People who buy their CD's need to realize they are being ripped off to begin with. The major record labels have been convicted of price gauging, raising cd prices by as much as 50%. Thats nothing more than robbery. I especially find it sad that the judges think Napster can be shut down because its possible to use it to infringe copyrights. By that same logic the music industry can shut down the internet because it makes it easier to steal music.

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Old 26th Feb 2001, 03:33 PM   #5
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I guess so..but

Thats true,people can get music from each other anyway.But in Metallicas defense Id just like to point out that there were many other bands that didnt approve of napster,it just happen to be metallica to take the heat bacause they took it to court.I do think metallica was somewhat jumpy over this considering thier riches,but in no way would I label them as "pathetic" over this this.ONE MORE THING ID LIKE TO SAY,my brother has downloaded and copied with our burner over 100 albums off the internet using NAPSTER and says he has no plans in ever buying them now.CDs are aroung 15 dollars apiece so whats that? oh yeah,thats 1500 dollars in stolen art subtract the 50 cents a disc.I dont know about you but if I spent my time and money to make an album just so some punk(and ny brother is a punk)can get it for FREE and distribute it to his friends for FREE,then I would start yelling at someone.And if I was a big band like Metallica I would be sure I could take a stand for musicians and people would maybe take note of it.DO NOT PUT METALLICA DOWN until you have put yourself in thier shoes.
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Old 26th Feb 2001, 05:08 PM   #6
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Though I agree with certain points on both sides of the arguement, I am more in favor of the Napster side. The radio is free and we are free to record the songs off of there. Sure "technically" it is illegal.
Most musicians when they are starting out would love to give their music away in order to gain more acceptance and exposure. The real money that can be made is off of tours and mechandising, sure cd's are a large part of that. But the large record labels have been pissing off consumers for years with the price gouging. So it was inevitable an alternative would come along. If they were so concerned about individuals recording their music and listening to it for "free" then radio would not have evolved. The sale of cd's is only one aspect of the income record labels make off of artists. Though not based in fact..as I have not researched it. I do not believe it is the primary money maker for the labels.
I think the attack is similar to the attack on Microsoft. The society and our laws are having a hard time keeping up with advancements in technology.
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Old 26th Feb 2001, 06:03 PM   #7
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I wont argue with that,well put

I guess since napster is a double edged sword to the music industry all that can be done is make the artist in favor pay a fee to napster for advertisment,otherwise thier music should not be allowed to be downloaded thru napster.And,if people are gonna end up paying for napster then the bands should get money.
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Old 26th Feb 2001, 06:15 PM   #8
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A lot of bands did approve of napster. I remember public enemy #1 got sued by his record label for releasing an album online for free. The thing is, the record labels get the money for the cd's not the artist.



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Old 26th Feb 2001, 06:28 PM   #9
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Lol, lol, lol

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Old 26th Feb 2001, 06:30 PM   #10
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You should try to look at Napster at different points of view. Napster DOES hurt the music industry quite badly because of several numerous reasons. The artist has to pay the record company to sell their album, the artist has to pay to make music videos, the artist has to pay in order to sell CD's, etc. Also, whenever a CD is sold, the profit is split in different ways. The record company gets half and the rest is split among the band members. Totalling up to about a buck for one person. So you see, in order to actually make some real money, you'd have to sell a ****load of albums. I think that even though Metallica is a huge money bank already, their suing of Napster will really help the younger and newer artists.

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Old 26th Feb 2001, 06:30 PM   #11
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Old 26th Feb 2001, 08:31 PM   #12
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well, I heard that the band gets maybe 10 cents for every CD they sell.

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Old 26th Feb 2001, 09:09 PM   #13
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Regardless of whether or not Napster (and stuff like it) hurts the music industry or not, nothing will change the fact that a new model for music distribution has emerged, like it or not. Rather than try to dig in their heels and fight the Nap, the music industry should try and figure out a way to ride the paradigm shift...and move with it.

I have NO idea how they are going to do it...but they must, or one day, not exist. I am just looking at the larger picture here...and that’s pretty much how all cultural shifts go. (Be they POP or not, does not seem to matter...)
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Old 26th Feb 2001, 09:27 PM   #14
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I agree with Metallica that Napster is violating their copyright, and they have every legal right to sue Napster. But they also decided to turn on their fans and treat them like crap and that's what pissed me off. Also they came off as hypocrites because they are one of those bands that have criticized others for "selling out" and have always decried "corporate rock" yet they attacked their fans for the pittance they wheren't getting from a handfull of fans (plus, just because I download some MP3 doesn't mean I would have bought it).
Furthermore if it wasn't for the illegal copying of their first few albums they wouldn't be where they are today. In the early days they couldn't PAY radio stations in the mid west to play their stuff. If it wasn't for bootlegs I'd never have heard of them way out here in Kansas, and neither would a large chunk of their fanbase.

Metallica are a bunch of greedy punks who put money ahead of their art and their fans (keep in mind this is coming from a staunch free-market capitalist, so I think that makes it that much more damning )

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Old 26th Feb 2001, 09:40 PM   #15
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i don't like any muscician so they can all go to hell.
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Old 26th Feb 2001, 10:57 PM   #16
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I say bring down the capitist fatcat at the music records.

ok sorry, had to say it

In the words of Jimmy Page (if you dont know him, shame on you)

"We didnt want to be comeralisted, we jsut wanted to play music"

Record company, expoit the musicians.

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Old 26th Feb 2001, 11:37 PM   #17
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My thoughts...

Okay, I think Napster and music piracy are the best things for the music scene right now. It helps artists that deserve money get money, and it takes away money from bands that dont deserve it. Now, this is a generalization of course but here is my logic. I personally d/l albums to listen to, then If I like them, I buy them, if I dont think its worth it, I delete from my HD. There are som rare cases where the cd i D/l is out of print or 25 bucks and I say **** it im keeping iy but whatever.

This practice allows me to expand my musical vocabulary by listening to many many diferent bands without risking my hard earned cash on buying a cd that sucks.

I think this is great. Why? Because if allowed to continue, it would either have to start producing quality music, or get a real job.

I also realise that there are unscrupulous folks who d/l albums like crazy and take money out of peoples pockets but, so what? Total record sales went up substantially since napsters inception, but the recording industry fails to recognize this. They focus on their study of american University students who use napster, and how it correlates with decreased record sales. If there is one thing you learn in first year university, its that correlation does not mean causation. You cannot draw the conclusion "because these people use napster, they have no reason to buy records anymore".

The only diference between pre-napster people and post-napster people is that now they know what they are buying before they shell out 20 bucks 4 a cd.

I think that music is meant to be art, and the majority of "musicians" who make the big dollars today certainly do not deserve it... Britney spears does not deserve millions of dollars, and quitre frankly, neither does metallica. They produce album after album of the same, boring (in my opinion) music. Now, Im not saying they should not be allowed to make and produce music, but make millions of dollars? Common, lets face it here, they are not struggling to put food on the table. The only reason Metallica is bent out of shape is because they are greedy, arrogant bastards.

If they were artists they would be happy in knowing that so many people enjoy their music and they get a pay cheque for making other people happy.

The other alternative the record buisness has is to reduce the price of their goddam cd's. Honestly, why does a cd cost 20 bucks? (canadian). And if you want b-sides you gotta pay 12-15 for like 4 songs, its freakin retarded. The music industry should be the ones on trial not napster.
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Old 27th Feb 2001, 12:00 AM   #18
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Okay

Record comapanies make exponentially more money than artists do off their music. Not to mention the record company owns the copyrights to that music, not the artists. The artists get a very small royalty of the sale or use of their music. And most artists dont have a say in the matter if a commercial wants to use their song, or a movie or whatever. Some artists get these rights back later int heir careers, but why should artists have to sell their souls to music companies in order to make music?

The internet is going to be either the new frontier for advertising and corporation in the nexr few years, or its going to be the epitamy of free speach and thought. Music piracy has gone on for years and years relatively unchecked. The internet just made it easier and more acceptable to most people.

I also dont understand why people thing napster is going to hurt new upcoming artists? How? What is more expensive: Producing an album and paying to either print of cd's or cassetes

OR

Producing an album and the reproducing your music digitally for free and infinite amount of times and distributing your music to potentially millions of people !!!!FOR FREE!!!!

The record companies are bent out of shape because the tools and resources are around today to write, produce and distribute a quality album in your own basement for a fuking fraction of what it would cost the artist to sign a recording contract. No money would change hands with corporate recording companies. This is what record companies fear. They fear their monopoly on music will end. As if they care about the artists rights or sensibilities. It angers me that they are playing the good samaritan when they are just concerned about making lots and lots of dough of other peoples hard work.

Anyway, its bedtime

seeya later guys

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Old 27th Feb 2001, 12:45 AM   #19
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I have ALWAYS liked Metallica's music and alway's will. BUT as i have said here before i think at the moment they are Money hungry Assholes! i have hered they have sued 3 company's now!

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Old 27th Feb 2001, 01:44 AM   #20
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You see,Napster is a good thing for me because here in Malaysia they play bull**** music here.You'll often see boybands/girlbands on the TV and it's f_ucking impossible for un-mainstreamed bands (like ATDI,Rancid) to appear on national TV.

So,I use Napster to d/l songs from bands that i read in mags/internet to know if their songs are good or not,so if it's good I'll buy their damn f_ucking cd if (Just like I did with ATDI)

Just to let you know,I've only been able to find only 1 shop that sells cds from un-mainstreamed bands

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