MORE SHOTGUNS ! :eek:

[DEICIDE[NBF]]

i suggest this :

if u want semi or full-auto :

M3 "Jackhammer"

USAS-12
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"It was made by gilbert equipment co.It was made in both select fire and semiauto. It fed by both 20rd drum or 10rd clip.It fired at 400RPM and fired 12gauge2 and 3/4in shells.
There are only dealer sample full auto's and these are used all over for special forces in PERU or Korean commando teams. A few are used by S.w.a.t teams in the usa. A individual can't own one (unless you are a Police department or class 3)"

only semi-auto :

SAIGA-12K

SPAS-15

other concept :

NEOSTEAD


[This message was edited by DEICIDE[NBF] on Aug 20, 2000 at 09:07.]

[Wolf Being]

Well, they all look cool, but I'm pretty happy with the status quo. 2 semi-auto shotguns already, what more could you possibly need?

I really don't see what purpose they could serve, other than giving you AR-style visuals while firing shotgun shells... there's a reason they aren't seen out in the real world, too...

Besides, shotguns using buckshot are contrary to the second Hague Convention on the Rules of Ground Warfare, if I'm not mistaking (Or was it the Geneva Convention?), so arguably they shouldn't be in a *military* mod at all. [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img]

Of course the US didn't sign that one, so we can leave them in anyway , hehe [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

[mp*lennon]

I heard the SAS might start using the Neostead...

[DEICIDE[NBF]]

What's ur opinion about this shotguns ??? [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

[ShakKen]

No, ie, nien, niet, tak boleh, negatorie, never. No more shotguns.

ShakKen
Infiltration
3D artist

[Galaddin]

lol
tak boleh?
bwahahahaha

It is impossible for the glass to be half full or half empty for you see: there is no glass

[DEICIDE[NBF]]

1/- u don't like this shotguns ?
2/- it's too powerful 4 u ?
3/- 2 shotguns are enough ?
4/- they look ugly ?
5/- u prefer add others weapons ?
6/- why u're so cruel whit me ?

[OICW]

No more shotguns? does this mean that you guys won't include any more shotguns in a weapons pack POST Versiopn 3.0? If so that reall,y really sucks.

"Hand to hand, is the basis of all combat. Only a fool trusts his life to a weapon."
Cyborg Ninja, Metal Gear Solid.

[ShakKen]

Not to be cruel, but none of those shotguns are practical, fit the bill or in are in military service with exception of the Saiga which is already used by several other mods.

ShakKen
Infiltration
3D artist

[Snakeye]

What for?
Both shotguns in INF are quite similar(hell, every shotgun is quite similar to the other), and against hollywood movies and popular belief, the shotgun in any form(single/double barrel, pump, semi, full auto) is NOT the ultimate combat weapon.
Shotguns are specialist weapons, often used to breach doors, fire nonlethal projectiles etc.

Whatever, since I wouldn't not like any shotgun in combat, I also don't want any more in INF.
Rather put in a SIG550 Sniper..

And those who ask for the reasons for my shotgun-dislike:
-recoil
-low range(even slugs are not accurate past 50 meters)
-low mag capacity
-usually long reload time

Snakeye [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

anything you do can get you killed, including doing nothing

[DEICIDE[NBF]]

np, because shotguns are made for close range combat, not 4 snip' like ur SIG of coward [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif[/img]
(i like close combat and hate snipers! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_mad.gif[/img])

so a shotguns auto or semi-auto whit 20 cartridges magazine will be more useful than ur poor SIG in close range [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img]

u can choose so many types of ammunitions : slug , sabot, flechette, "00" ...

recoil is important yes but it's because shotguns are very powerful too [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_eek.gif[/img]

so USAS-12 or SPAS-15 possess an specific AR type, they're like ur SIG ; fast reload , recoil yes, but good kill too ! [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_razz.gif[/img]

now if Shakken said than it's not possible to add'em because they're not used by forces army ; i'm not desagree , but i thing it's very sad to delete this little babes of this great mod 4 this
only reason ... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif[/img]

however i'm not a shotgun-expert u know, but i think just than add SAIGA-12k or USAS-12 semi-auto is not a gadget (that not as this stupid pomp-action shotguns than u can see in all others mods)
and add full-auto shotgun like M3 Jackhammer have his place in INF, IMO ... [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]

[Snakeye]

Everybody who lets an enemy get into 50 meters of range deserves getting blown to pieches by a shotgun.

And killing a man at 600 meters is not cowardice, it's intelligent since it minimizes your own risk.
(OK, some might call it cowardice, but most of them only because they die from sniper bullets)

And an AR has also a wide variety of ammo:
AP, Ball, tracer, HP, hmmm..ask Gryphon for more..

Snakeye [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]


anything you do can get you killed, including doing nothing

[DEICIDE[NBF]]

ONLY 50m ?!? argh !
ok now i stay in my house and wait u like a ****ing coward camper [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]

hum u know in antiquity, archers and crossbow users was very hate and by knights
because they can kill'em easily in distance without fight ;(
so that why i said snipers are "coward" , but not stupids ... that not the same thing u see

hum i don't think they want use ALL the variety of ammo , but u can see some choice here :

http://members.home.net/unrealtourna...on/Ammunition/

[Snakeye]

you stay in your house, two tips:
- stay away from windows
- stay in your cellar(in case the sniper has infrared..hehe)

Snakeye [img]/infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
(remembering the old saying:
'those who whimper and run away, live to whimper another day!')

anything you do can get you killed, including doing nothing

[[mkv-p4]zaimexis]

I still cant see the concept of shotguns in war, a automatic rifle will do fine!


In war there is no substitute for victory.

[The_Fur]

shotguns are normally used in dense growth (jungles for instance) and urban environments.

They are supoedly used to clear foliage (yeah right). But they will do nicely of clearing that nasty "foliage" from small rooms (with a buckshot spreading thingie ) and clearing "foliage" from foliage .

Crosshairs are for wimps

Killing stupid people is not just a hobby, it's a way of life.



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[Zundfolge]

Shotguns are also used in areas where stray rounds would cause problems (like in an urban area with lots of friendlies close buy)

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[WantonPhooie]

Shotguns are usually used in jungle enviroments simply because in such a dense place a spread of shots is easier to hit someone with than 1 at a time.

[Neglous8]

Would like to see a purposes for the Shotguns. Shot guns aren't used in military for standard firearms. They don't have the range. Usually used for door breaching, house clearing etc. Would like to see the ability to do this, to have a purpose for using the shot gun. In long ranges the pellets should drop off. S

[Neglous8]

A Benelli is mainly a Police, SWAT shotgun throughout the world. US Military Official Shotgun is a Mossberg M590. Most militaries go with pump action shot guns, do to reliability, ease of uses and low maintenance.

Mossberg M590

The military version is parkerized so there is no glare.

The only true combat shotgun is one that is purposely built to military specifications which usually means a heat shield, fixed but stock, and Bayonet lug. Combat are used for close quarters fighting because the range of the weapon is limited and accuracy beyond a hundred yards is questionable.a