M16 question

[Mad_Dog]

i read a newspaper article a few months ago that talked to an israeli sniper, and it mentioned his M16 that was built specifically for sniping. does anyone know the model or specs for this? or is it just a M16 with an ACOG, like in inf?

[GHOST_IceCoLd]

I will talk to one of my Staff Srgt's he was a Force Recond/Sniper in the Marine Corps for 4 year's. I am sure he has heard or seen something about this.

Next time I get a hold of him I will ask him about it. Untill then I will look it up for you in my book's.

Ice

[Zundfolge]

They're called "Accurized"... something like this
http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/Vie...p?Item=1146096

[Lord_Bunker]

zund beat me to it, it sounds like that colt acurized rifle to me, it looks alot like an m16, i'm not sure weather it's a modified m16 or just a look alike though. assuming i got everything right. change that, it's the match target competition rifle. acording to colts website.

[Prophetus]

Colt doesn't make "M-16's" for the military, they make "AR-15's". M-16 is the military designation of the style of rifle we use. Colt used to make the M-16 and M-16 A1's (AR-15) for the military. However, Fabrique National is now the rightful owner of the contract and title, M-16 with the alpha/numeric extension A2. We no longer purchase AR-15's from Colt (well except for special ops reasons, older GAU's).

Each company is allowed to use and modify the basic designs. Look at the design as a game engine and they purchased the engine. Therefore, you will see different variations of the inline rifle design.

[The_Fur]

strange cause colt still names em as m16's on their homepage



The Colt M16A2 is the fourth generation of the M16 weapons system. The M16A2 Enhanced Rifle still represents the world standard by which all other weapons of this class are judged.


Model
RO901
Name
M16A2
Finish
Black anodized receiver; black oxide barrel
Action
Semi/Full Auto, gas operated, locking bolt
Caliber
5.56mm (.223 Rem)
Capacity
30 rounds
Barrel Length
20"
Overall Length
39.6"
Rifling Twist
RH; 1 turn in 7"
Rifling Grooves
6
Trigger
Smooth
Front Sight
Adjustable
Rear Sight
Detachable sight/carry handle with A2 style adjustable for windage/elevation to 600 meters.
Sight Radius
19.75"
Weight
7.9 lbs.(empty)
Cycle Rate
700-950 rpm
Special Features
Optional flat top receiver allows for removable carry handle with built in target-style rear sights and easy mounting of optics. Cartidge case deflector for left handed shooting. Cleaning kit and sling included. Can be field stripped without special tools.



strange thing is that this is the only model they still sell and their site looks like a 6 y old had a little funwith m$ paint. I guess most of the models were scrapped and this is the only m16a2 they still sell.

As you might have noticed this is not the classic military standard because this one is in semi-full auto rather then semi-burst.

[Prophetus]

During the Summer of 1981, the M16A1E1 was tested very thoroughly and was type-classified as the M16A2 in September, 1982, but it was over a year later when it was officially adopted by the Marine Corps on 20 November 1983. Some in the Army now argued against adopting the M16A2, even though they admitted many M16A1s were wearing out from use as training weapons, but in the end, the Army adopted the M16A2 in 1985. The American plant of Fabrique Nationale was also awarded a contract to produce the M16A2 in the late 1980s

Background info on M-16

Although Colt manufactures the AR-15 and naming it M-16, the military does not purchase these weapons from Colt.

[The_Fur]

Still it is weird because i had used information about other model M16a2's from the colt site a few weeks ago, now they only show one model.

Anyway which one are we using? Inf has the colt m16a2 what is the diference between the colt m16a2 and the FN m16a2? standard models let's not get too much into detail

[Mad_Dog]

thanks... i think i understand now, despite information overload. i was also at the colt website, and saw them both, but i didn't know the relation between AR-15 and M16. i just wish i still had that article...

[Dupre]

The primary difference between the M-16 and AR-15 is one is marketed for military/leo use while the latter is targetted for the civilian market. Most M-16's come equipped with bayonet lug, A2 "birdcage" muzzle brake, and 3-burst cam.. features that are missing from the legal AR-15 (at least in the US). However, simply because AR-15's aren't considered "military" doesn't mean they're second rate. I've seen AR-15's produced at higher qualities than some M-16's and they shoot much better as well.

M-16's and AR-15's share many common parts and usually fit together, although many companies have the same general idea how the rifle is built, so parts don't quite... um.. fit. In the AR-15 market, Bushmaster is considered a much more reliable source than Colt with various other companies like PWA and Rock River Arms producing quality items too.

Visit www.ar15.com for anything and everything you want to know about the AR-15.

Also, the U.S. Army sharpshooting team has given up their M-14's in favor of the M-16's. Not only do they consistently shoot a higher score with them, M-16's also last longer in terms of accuracy per barrel until failure. Go figure, who would have thunked.

[Col.Sanders]

Accurizing the M16/AR15 family is a popular hobby for shooters in the USA. The M16 fieldstrips into two major assemblies with the removal of two pins by hand. The Lower Reciever is the magazine housing, trigger group, pistol grip, and buttstock.
The Upper Reciever is the carry handle, barrel, sights, and most of the reciprocating action. This design allows the parts most crucial to accuracy (barrel, sights, and moving bolt) to we easily swapped with replacement parts. So any M16/AR15 can be converted from a 7" bbl ultra-short entry carbine to a 24"heavy-barreled marksman's rifle in about 5 seconds.
There are many companies in the USA manufacturing AR15's besides Colt: Armalite, Bushamster, DPMS, ASA, Hesse Arms, to name a few. In fact, Colt has fallen out of favor with AR15 shooters. I'm not even sure if they are still shipping rifles with all their legal and financial troubles (websites and catalogs can lie).
Many gunsmiths specialize in the accurizing of AR15's since the design is well-known, -documented, and -understood.

So a "sniper version" of an M16 could be anything from a (heavy barreled) A2 with a scope, to a fully-tricked-out custom rifle or anything in between.

[Prophetus]

Dupre is correct about the quality between AR15's and Military M-16A2's. I hate to admit this, but Military weapons are usually sub par. This is due to the fact that we (the military) will continue to purchase contracted weapons unless it poses danger or bodily harm to military members.

However, in the Civilian world (to include Law Enforcement Agencies), they want the best quality and if it doesn't perform to their standards, then they don't buy it. So, all these manufacturers will continue to enhance and ensure their M-16 variants perfom flawlessly.

This is not to say our current military weapons are useless. It's just when the contracts were awarded, the best weapon was purchased at the time. These contracts can last 10 or 20 years before dismissal. Although the contracts may include reasonable upgrade/enhancement clauses, they don't keep up with the civilian market. This is true in any military. Yet, special ops squadrons (companies) are allowed to purchase weapons outside of military contracts.

If a SOS doesn't like or want to use the M-16 and rather use a non standard issued gauss weapon, they can.