HOW do I fix BSP holes?

DrBot · 17th Mar 2001, 01:15 PM

/me asks how to fix bsp holes?
I have some in my map. I want to get rid of them. what do i do?
I know ive de-intersected and all that. I dunno why they are there. I noticed they are always in the same spot? AND I CANT GET RID OF THEM!

Fuzzpilz · 17th Mar 2001, 01:37 PM

Well, if you've also used semi-solids for as many of the additives as possibly possible, then you're having problems because of coplanar surfaces. These can cause problems.
There sadly is no general recipe to get rid of BSP holes; you'll just have to try working around them.

ChrisToth.hu · 17th Mar 2001, 02:06 PM

If you didn't use semisols at all then try to convert some of the solid brushes...

Also try setting the evil brushes to last in the BSP order.

RFairey · 17th Mar 2001, 03:17 PM

Make sure you don't have too many overlapping solid brushes.

Make sure you havn't subtracted from a semisolid.

Make sure you haven't (de)intersected a sheet brush.

Check your 2D ed brushes as these are sometimes bad.

Check your collision hulls don't intersect the walls.

Fiddle with the slider under BSP in the rebuild settings dialog.

After vertex editing, check that all the surfaces have corners which are coplanar.

The list goes on..........

TaoPaiPai · 17th Mar 2001, 05:31 PM

Welcome to the world of unreal editing

Deathman · 17th Mar 2001, 10:12 PM

NEVER use semi or non solid brushes. They can really kill your map unless you REALLY have to use them. (like for zone use).

X · 18th Mar 2001, 01:30 AM

Deathman are you kidding? i use semi solids and non solids like mad, it's the only to make over laping textures and since they don't split the bsp they lower node count(in most way, there are exceptions) and i still havent had a bsp hole

TaoPaiPai · 18th Mar 2001, 06:34 AM

I personnally never use SOLIDS in my maps.Always semi-solids.
(but I agree this is not a good habit)

ChrisToth.hu · 18th Mar 2001, 08:27 AM

Only semi-solids???

That's dangerous....D

TaoPaiPai · 18th Mar 2001, 06:26 PM

yeah everything might collapse one day...

ChrisToth.hu · 19th Mar 2001, 11:49 AM

Even the good old MIR...BTW did you bring the parachutes for the landing?

Luminuis · 19th Mar 2001, 02:13 PM

Man and I just GOT here, geeze, well, when are we moving to ISS?

I use a good healthy mix of everything and I rarely have a BSP hole, except for coplanar bipolar textures on the z scaled plane! (matching coplanar walls)

Ren Höek · 19th Mar 2001, 05:43 PM

clipped brushes are also easily to be the couse for bsp holes, especially after scaling and rotating them

BEWARE!!!

The ultimate novice · 19th Mar 2001, 09:19 PM

I like the way you think, NP! Methinks conversation with you could provide endless hours of entertainment.
Oops, the subject. Um . . . Uhh . . . BSP!

Ren Höek · 20th Mar 2001, 05:16 PM

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH, they are everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mclarenlover · 20th Mar 2001, 06:22 PM

Uhhh... what are BSP holes???

Dangler · 20th Mar 2001, 07:01 PM

God Ren,
Every time I see an attached image of the editor by you, I'm itching to see what it is your making. Intricate looking ****. Can we expect something soon ?

DrBot · 20th Mar 2001, 09:15 PM

yea, umm ren, those are pretty serious....
you need to fizx those

Heres a pic of the map im working on right now:

DrBot · 20th Mar 2001, 09:21 PM

CURSE YOU FOURMS!!!!
Ack it didnt attch my pic
Here:

DrBot · 20th Mar 2001, 09:24 PM

Oh i see it was to big....
One more time then time for bed:

17th Mar 2001, 01:15 PM	#1
DrBot Adept Join Date: Jan. 20th, 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 175	/me asks how to fix bsp holes? I have some in my map. I want to get rid of them. what do i do? I know ive de-intersected and all that. I dunno why they are there. I noticed they are always in the same spot? AND I CANT GET RID OF THEM! __________________ I just saw a pigman. Flabby Beaver

17th Mar 2001, 02:06 PM	#3
ChrisToth.hu Level Designer Join Date: Oct. 2nd, 2000 Location: Atlantis Posts: 2,740	If you didn't use semisols at all then try to convert some of the solid brushes... Also try setting the evil brushes to last in the BSP order. __________________ Chris Toth ------------- Chris@message.hu

17th Mar 2001, 03:17 PM	#4
RFairey King of the Faireys Join Date: Aug. 2nd, 2000 Location: Somewhere Else Posts: 169	Make sure you don't have too many overlapping solid brushes. Make sure you havn't subtracted from a semisolid. Make sure you haven't (de)intersected a sheet brush. Check your 2D ed brushes as these are sometimes bad. Check your collision hulls don't intersect the walls. Fiddle with the slider under BSP in the rebuild settings dialog. After vertex editing, check that all the surfaces have corners which are coplanar. The list goes on.......... __________________ Bravery is not a function of firepower - JC Denton

17th Mar 2001, 10:12 PM	#6
Deathman Angel of the Apocalypse Join Date: Mar. 14th, 2001 Location: Houston,Texas Posts: 91	NEVER use semi or non solid brushes. They can really kill your map unless you REALLY have to use them. (like for zone use). __________________ I am bored, I think I ll go kill someone......

18th Mar 2001, 08:27 AM	#9
ChrisToth.hu Level Designer Join Date: Oct. 2nd, 2000 Location: Atlantis Posts: 2,740	Only semi-solids??? That's dangerous....D __________________ Chris Toth ------------- Chris@message.hu

17th Mar 2001, 01:37 PM	#2
Fuzzpilz klkk Join Date: Jun. 28th, 2000 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 984	Well, if you've also used semi-solids for as many of the additives as possibly possible, then you're having problems because of coplanar surfaces. These can cause problems. There sadly is no general recipe to get rid of BSP holes; you'll just have to try working around them.

17th Mar 2001, 05:31 PM	#5
TaoPaiPai Commisaire Van Loc Join Date: Jun. 13th, 2000 Location: Matnik Posts: 1,623	Welcome to the world of unreal editing

18th Mar 2001, 01:30 AM	#7
X Soul on Ice Join Date: Apr. 24th, 2000 Location: ON,CA Posts: 368	Deathman are you kidding? i use semi solids and non solids like mad, it's the only to make over laping textures and since they don't split the bsp they lower node count(in most way, there are exceptions) and i still havent had a bsp hole

18th Mar 2001, 06:34 AM	#8
TaoPaiPai Commisaire Van Loc Join Date: Jun. 13th, 2000 Location: Matnik Posts: 1,623	I personnally never use SOLIDS in my maps.Always semi-solids. (but I agree this is not a good habit)

18th Mar 2001, 06:26 PM	#10
TaoPaiPai Commisaire Van Loc Join Date: Jun. 13th, 2000 Location: Matnik Posts: 1,623	yeah everything might collapse one day...

19th Mar 2001, 11:49 AM	#11
ChrisToth.hu Level Designer Join Date: Oct. 2nd, 2000 Location: Atlantis Posts: 2,740	Even the good old MIR...BTW did you bring the parachutes for the landing? __________________ Chris Toth ------------- Chris@message.hu

19th Mar 2001, 02:13 PM	#12
Luminuis Herald of the Newest Dawn Join Date: Dec. 30th, 2000 Location: In the middle of your nightmares...look behind you. Posts: 2,258	Man and I just GOT here, geeze, well, when are we moving to ISS? I use a good healthy mix of everything and I rarely have a BSP hole, except for coplanar bipolar textures on the z scaled plane! (matching coplanar walls) __________________ Co-Maker of the Marx Head Smilie Let's not forget the Lenin Head

19th Mar 2001, 05:43 PM	#13
Ren Höek Skilled Join Date: Dec. 29th, 2000 Location: earth (a small planet in the universe) Posts: 302	clipped brushes are also easily to be the couse for bsp holes, especially after scaling and rotating them BEWARE!!!

19th Mar 2001, 09:19 PM	#14
The ultimate novice It's MY island! Join Date: Feb. 14th, 2001 Location: Gator Country Posts: 781	I like the way you think, NP! Methinks conversation with you could provide endless hours of entertainment. Oops, the subject. Um . . . Uhh . . . BSP! __________________ Map reviewer extrodiraire!. . . sort of Yes, you too can be immortal!! Just click here!

20th Mar 2001, 05:16 PM	#15
Ren Höek Skilled Join Date: Dec. 29th, 2000 Location: earth (a small planet in the universe) Posts: 302	I don't have 'em in my map, no, it can be even worse! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH, they are everywhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

20th Mar 2001, 06:22 PM	#16
Mclarenlover Registered User Join Date: Apr. 16th, 2000 Location: The Great 'ole state of NC Posts: 122	Uhhh... what are BSP holes???

20th Mar 2001, 07:01 PM	#17
Dangler ~LXG~ Join Date: Jan. 20th, 2001 Location: Bellevue, WA. Posts: 230	God Ren, Every time I see an attached image of the editor by you, I'm itching to see what it is your making. Intricate looking ****. Can we expect something soon ?

20th Mar 2001, 09:15 PM	#18
DrBot Adept Join Date: Jan. 20th, 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 175	yea, umm ren, those are pretty serious.... you need to fizx those Heres a pic of the map im working on right now: __________________ I just saw a pigman. Flabby Beaver

20th Mar 2001, 09:21 PM	#19
DrBot Adept Join Date: Jan. 20th, 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 175	CURSE YOU FOURMS!!!! Ack it didnt attch my pic Here: __________________ I just saw a pigman. Flabby Beaver

20th Mar 2001, 09:24 PM	#20
DrBot Adept Join Date: Jan. 20th, 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 175	Oh i see it was to big.... One more time then time for bed: __________________ I just saw a pigman. Flabby Beaver

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