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Old 16th Jun 2012, 12:08 AM   #1
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President Obama does it again!

Awesome! President Obama formally approved about 800,000 illegal aliens to be legal workers in the U.S.A. today! I'm so glad I'm not between the ages of 18-30 and having to fight for a job against these folks. President Obama rules!
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 12:14 AM   #2
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 01:27 AM   #3
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Awesome! President Obama formally approved about 800,000 illegal aliens to be legal workers in the U.S.A. today! I'm so glad I'm not between the ages of 18-30 and having to fight for a job against these folks. President Obama rules!
America on the whole would be a much better people with out those of your mentality, you should leave, not like you are happy there, and with that line of thinking you sholud get out of the "Native American's land" anyway. ...but please don't come to Europe. WE DO NOT WANT YOU.
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 02:03 AM   #4
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Awesome! President Obama formally approved about 800,000 illegal aliens to be legal workers in the U.S.A. today! I'm so glad I'm not between the ages of 18-30 and having to fight for a job against these folks. President Obama rules!
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 02:04 AM   #5
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Granting illegal workers legal status has been done before. Reagan did it in 1986, for example. And there's a point to be made here that's neither Republican or Democrat.

What about all of those seeking to get into the US through legal means? Doesn't this send a message that it is okay to work illegally in the US and that you might even be awarded legal status for your troubles?

I'm all for bringing in good, lawful, hardworking people, but it would seem to me that it should be in an orderly fashion. Not to mention that it's quite dangerous to enter illegally, thanks to both the harsh conditions of a number of entry points as well as the shady characters involved with smuggling people in.

There has got to be a better way.
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I can kinda agree with Hermskii in the context of, I think Obama is a horrible president... Beyond that well... This country needs more people willing to work and less who want a free ride. So if these immigrants want to work. Awesome.

My only complaint is at those that move here and expect me to learn Spanish or whatever their language may be to converse with them. If you move to a country you should learn it's language not try to force it the other way around. Yes American English is full of grammatically problematic terminology and colloquialisms but I wouldn't move to say Russia and expect to not learn Russian. Or France and not learn french...

Edit: And what Hal said. I hadn't considered the legal/sociological aspects of this move.
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 02:30 AM   #7
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This country needs more people willing to work and less who want a free ride.
go on...

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ok I'm going to stop you right there.
the majority of welfare recipients in this country are middle-aged white men living in the South. it's not just a majority either. this group receives the lionshare of government handouts.

immigration has little to do with the issue of "free rides."
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 03:06 AM   #8
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go on...

ok I'm going to stop you right there.
the majority of welfare recipients in this country are middle-aged white men living in the South. it's not just a majority either. this group receives the lionshare of government handouts.

immigration has little to do with the issue of "free rides."
I don't understand the point of posting something like that. It's been a favorite line for conservative-bashers for some reason, but this "majority" proves nothing and seems to be wrong anyways. You would expect the majority race to make up the majority of welfare recipients, or nearly any stat just based on probability. The most recent numbers posted by The US Department of Health and Human resources on their website in 2009 for the Temporary Assistance For Needy Families (TANF as it has been called since Clinton passed some welfare reform back in the day) shows welfare recipients at:
33.3% Black
31.2% White
28.8% Hispanic

Looks like whites are a little under represented there, huh? I didn't take the time to calculate # of recipients in southern states per capita versus the rest of the country, but just a quick glance over the numbers looks fairly proportional. There's poor people everywhere.

Source: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/...2009/tab08.htm

None of this has anything to do with my opinion of illegal immigration, Obama's move, or any supposed laziness of certain people groups. It is based solely on being irked by yet another stupid post.
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 03:38 AM   #9
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I don't understand the point of posting something like that. It's been a favorite line for conservative-bashers for some reason, but this "majority" proves nothing and seems to be wrong anyways. You would expect the majority race to make up the majority of welfare recipients, or nearly any stat just based on probability. The most recent numbers posted by The US Department of Health and Human resources on their website in 2009 for the Temporary Assistance For Needy Families (TANF as it has been called since Clinton passed some welfare reform back in the day) shows welfare recipients at:
33.3% Black
31.2% White
28.8% Hispanic

Looks like whites are a little under represented there, huh? I didn't take the time to calculate # of recipients in southern states per capita versus the rest of the country, but just a quick glance over the numbers looks fairly proportional. There's poor people everywhere.

Source: http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/...2009/tab08.htm

None of this has anything to do with my opinion of illegal immigration, Obama's move, or any supposed laziness of certain people groups. It is based solely on being irked by yet another stupid post.
good info there... to bring those numbers full circle.

38,929,319 or 12.6% of the population is Black or African American (13mil ish on TANF)
223,553,265 or 72.4 % of the population is White (just under 70mil)
50,477,594 or 16.3% of the population is Hispanic or Latino. (around 14.5 mil)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra..._United_States

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go on...

ok I'm going to stop you right there.
the majority of welfare recipients in this country are middle-aged white men living in the South. it's not just a majority either. this group receives the lionshare of government handouts.

immigration has little to do with the issue of "free rides."
I think you missed my point. Hermskii brought their work ethic into the equation I merely stated in a round about way that working citizens bolster the economy rather then drain it.
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 04:00 AM   #10
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33.3% Black
31.2% White
28.8% Hispanic
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38,929,319 or 12.6% of the population is Black or African American (13mil ish on TANF)
223,553,265 or 72.4 % of the population is White (just under 70mil)
50,477,594 or 16.3% of the population is Hispanic or Latino. (around 14.5 mil)
But wait, don't the percentages DannyMeister posted reflect the percentage of ALL WELFARE RECIPIENTS and not just of that ethnicity? I.e., 33.3% out of 100% of the people that receive welfare are Black, 31.2% of all recipients are White, etc.?

I have seen the following statistics from 2011 posted in various places, and they show the total percentages of all welfare recipients despite ethnic population figures.

Black-39.8%
White-38.8%
Hispanic-15.7%
Other-3.3%
Asian-2.4%

It adds up to 100% if you hadn't done the math. Basically, this would mean that almost all blacks are on welfare. I'm sure that's not accurate nation-wide, and I'm also not trying to be racist, but here in North Carolina the lines at the local welfare office are quite predominately black.

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Old 16th Jun 2012, 04:11 AM   #11
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I don't understand the point of posting something like that.
because Elmur "in a round about way" decided to tie work ethic to immigration which is a non-sequitur.

it has also been true since at least the early 90's.
white people receive more welfare dollars than most minorities. I didn't say anything about the percentages or the per-capita number of white households versus black (or any other) households.
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 04:12 AM   #12
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Exclamation That's one way to reduce a government deficit I suppose...

Or you could think of it in the sense that Barak Obama has just increased the tax revenue of the US, by adding 800,000 new taxpayers.
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 04:24 AM   #13
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What's wrong with employing 800,000 Americans?

Also immigrant workers always lower the average wage.
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 05:25 AM   #14
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I'd say employers not paying the average wage are lowering the average wage, but what do I know.
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 05:41 AM   #15
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Damn those children who were dragged here by their parents, they should be put on boat and set adrift on the high-seas!
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I'd say employers not paying the average wage are lowering the average wage, but what do I know.
The employer will always pay the lowest.

An American wants the current national average.
Immigrant says I'll do the same job for a third less.

You do the maths.
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Black-39.8%
White-38.8%
Hispanic-15.7%
Other-3.3%
Asian-2.4%
such a break down is the root of discrimination.

hows about 100% people eh? no mater who they are or where they are from?
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Old 16th Jun 2012, 10:21 AM   #18
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so move to eastern europe and don't be a whiny BNP dick.
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Damn those children who were dragged here by their parents, they should be put on boat and set adrift on the high-seas!
My thoughts exactly. These children for all intents and purposes know nothing of their native land, and are essentially American. What right do we have to deprive them of the fast path towards life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness if they are deported to a land that is as foreign and alien as Mars. Why not give them an expedited way of becoming legal in the only place they know? Probably not many of them actually know they are over here illegally anyway, their parents probably just said "We are moving to America! Pack your bags!" and not make them worry about insecurity here that they have experienced in their homeland.

And Selerox brings up a great point. If anything, this is a great potential tax revenue source, isn't this what the Republicans have been saying? "We have to broaden the tax base."

It's also funny how people complain this is a "free ride." Really? I think it is unfair to single out people based on the "lazy Hispanic immigrant" stereotype. There are plenty of natural-born citizens in both the country and the city, both Democrat Republican or unaffiliated, rich or poor, that are lazy or not doing their full civic duty. Hell, natural-born citizens don't even have to recite the loyalty oath to become productive members of our society, which immigrants have to pledge when becoming citizens. So, who really gets the "free ride?"

Back to Obama. It really is a Catch-22 decision. Deportations are up under Obama compared to Bush, yet the Republicans are calling Obama's immigration policy weak. If Obama relaxes immigration rules, it is "amnesty." And if he does any executive order on the issue, he will be called out for doing an "unconstitutional" move, and it should be left to the legislature. Like that would ever happen with the mainly Republican-fueled gridlock in Congress. In this age, there really is nothing he can do to satiate everyone unless he is voted out come November. Even then, I doubt Romney would have a better time getting things done.

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HOLY **** A BUNCH OF PEOPLE CROSSED AN IMAGINARY LINE TO BE ABLE TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILY BECAUSE LIFE REQUIRES IMAGINARY WEALTH AND PROPERTY. WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!
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