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Old 8th Nov 2009, 05:11 PM   #61
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There are 195 countries in the world, which means the UK has pretty damned good health care. I bet the majority of the top countries are European.
Here's the list up to the US.

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
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Old 8th Nov 2009, 05:14 PM   #62
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Old 8th Nov 2009, 05:25 PM   #63
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US politics is a reflection of how polarized and whiny the American people have become. No matter which side you are on, there is no sense to US politics.
exactly.
we really need to do away with this 2-party system where everything is either black or white. it's hurting everyone, because the majority of US citizens are much, much closer to the middle.
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Show me where health care provides protection for my home or business.
if that's honestly how you feel about health care, you're a pretty sad human being.
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our current system is ****? how the hell would you know? you're wrong btw. and at least we don't have women giving birth in restrooms and hallways like in the UK. nor do we have ppl dying in the backs of ambulances since their shift's quota is met and won't let them into the ER.
there is so much ignorance in this statement it's hard to quantify.

your presumptions about the UK are totally off base, and you fail to realize just how far down the scale the US system has actually fallen when compared to our Democratic (and socialist) neighbors.
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Old 8th Nov 2009, 05:26 PM   #64
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Here's the list up to the US.
The Axis are beating the Allies here and it's mostly America's fault. Mostly.
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Old 8th Nov 2009, 05:26 PM   #65
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http://www.hospitaldr.co.uk/blogs/ou...can-lies-in-us

This is one of my favourite articles on US-UK healthcare comparison, although most of you will probably find it tl:dr.
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Old 8th Nov 2009, 05:39 PM   #66
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http://www.hospitaldr.co.uk/blogs/ou...can-lies-in-us

This is one of my favourite articles on US-UK healthcare comparison, although most of you will probably find it tl:dr.
Literally takes a few minutes to read both articles but it really does inspire pride in being British. Being an Asthmatic I have received a hell of a lot of free health care, free flu vaccinations every year, I had the hearing restored to my left ear for free, I have had a broken arm fixed for free... My sister was in intensive care when she was first born and free health care saved her life.

Don't buy into any bull**** about British health care, it really is the dogs bollocks. Sure it isn't perfect (MRSA scares are not fun), but if I am need medical attention I know it's going to be of a good standard and it's already been paid for via taxation (this is an example of taxation that I can totally get behind, shame my damned road tax still hasn't fixed the potholes in my street).
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Old 8th Nov 2009, 05:55 PM   #67
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Literally takes a few minutes to read both articles but it really does inspire pride in being British. Being an Asthmatic I have received a hell of a lot of free health care, free flu vaccinations every year, I had the hearing restored to my left ear for free, I have had a broken arm fixed for free... My sister was in intensive care when she was first born and free health care saved her life.

Don't buy into any bull**** about British health care, it really is the dogs bollocks. Sure it isn't perfect (MRSA scares are not fun), but if I am need medical attention I know it's going to be of a good standard and it's already been paid for via taxation (this is an example of taxation that I can totally get behind, shame my damned road tax still hasn't fixed the potholes in my street).
I have a question to further the discussion: Do you live within your means, is your lifestyle sustainable and stable, and are you generally happy? If so, you are proving my point in one of my previous posts.
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pfft theres no grey zone about this issue, its 100% black or white

you either think money is more important than peoples lives

or you think peoples lives are more important than money

its just hilarious to hear the pro life republican groups arguing on the other side for once.
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Old 8th Nov 2009, 06:05 PM   #70
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Literally takes a few minutes to read both articles but it really does inspire pride in being British. Being an Asthmatic I have received a hell of a lot of free health care, free flu vaccinations every year, I had the hearing restored to my left ear for free, I have had a broken arm fixed for free... My sister was in intensive care when she was first born and free health care saved her life.

Don't buy into any bull**** about British health care, it really is the dogs bollocks. Sure it isn't perfect (MRSA scares are not fun), but if I am need medical attention I know it's going to be of a good standard and it's already been paid for via taxation (this is an example of taxation that I can totally get behind, shame my damned road tax still hasn't fixed the potholes in my street).
I too have asthma, I've been to hospital multiple times with bad attacks, and I've always been treated quickly, they even made me stay overnight a couple of time to make sure I don't get a resurgance. Although getting to sleep isn't easy in the noise of the hospital. I also got my flu jab last week and I was in and out in less than five minutes.
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haha conservatives got owned this rules

People are kind of more important then money seriously we learned this **** in kindergarten.

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Old 8th Nov 2009, 06:32 PM   #72
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pfft theres no grey zone about this issue, its 100% black or white

you either think money is more important than peoples lives

or you think peoples lives are more important than money

its just hilarious to hear the pro life republican groups arguing on the other side for once.
This is retarded. I'm sorry, but this isn't a black and white issue. Who here is claiming that money is more important than people's lives?

Come on, can we just get over this argument already? This isn't about money or life, this is about freedom and force.
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I just read the bit about the abortion stuff though. That really sucks why do conservatives hate human rights so much?
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Old 8th Nov 2009, 06:57 PM   #74
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I just read the bit about the abortion stuff though. That really sucks why do conservatives hate human rights so much?
Give me a break. I think the whole drama about the abortion amendment was absolutely laughable. The amendment does absolutely nothing but reaffirm already existing law. It doesn't prevent anybody from having an abortion, just from getting it with federal funds. I think it's funny that people are getting so bent out of shape over a non issue. One of the few places with this bill that Dems played it smart. Probably the only thing more humorous than the Democrat reaction is the Catholic church and some conservatives thinking that they achieved some sort of small victory here.
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if that's honestly how you feel about health care, you're a pretty sad human being.
You, my friend, cannot read. I was responding to the alleged notion that public health care is the same as public services such as fire and police. Fire and police protect our property as well as our persons. Care to prove that health care protects my property? Come on bro, I triple dog dare ya.
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Care to prove that health care protects my property?
is this a serious question?

you can't be that stupid.
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is this a serious question?

you can't be that stupid.
Well, since we all require fluids and nourishment, we might as well make grocery stores and eateries part of the government in some form. Do they not affect our health?

Edit:/ Sorry if I don't feel that it is MY responsibility to pay for someone else's health care via taxes. If I pay more at the doctor's office because of those who do not have insurance, so be it. That is how a market works. It goes the same in Walmart and any store where I shop. I'm not cold-hearted; I just do not draw the same parallels as some of you when it comes to fire, police and the military on relation to a mandated federally-controlled public health care program.

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