Dawn of War 2
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I've been playing it, it's pretty fun. It probably doesn't have as much "depth" as DoW (rts-wise) but it seems like it'd be truer to the tabletop game.
yeah I've been keeping tabs on it for a while so it was instant download for me.
I wouldn't say it has less depth, I'd be more inclined to call it minimalistic. The lack of base building puts the focus entirely on micro and map control.
I love how any unit can pwn another if you just use it right. I've killed a few commanders with just one squad of scouts a few times.
I wouldn't say it has less depth, I'd be more inclined to call it minimalistic. The lack of base building puts the focus entirely on micro and map control.
I love how any unit can pwn another if you just use it right. I've killed a few commanders with just one squad of scouts a few times.
That's a pretty good assessment actually.
I played a few botmatches last night and I'm not really too enthused thus far. I'm finding the population cap too severe, I want more troops on the field!
I think the thing is that they're trying to encourage lots of mobility - having a small force that you keep shipping around the map to engage at conflicted points rather than keeping in garrisons at the various frontiers. But I'm a naturally defensive player and I like keeping contingents of troops at each frontier strategic point - the current model doesn't allow for that (unless there's just one chokepoint I suppose).
But then again, I was never that keen on Dawn of War in its vanilla form, I always modded it to increase squad caps and generally make the game more defensive. There's been some rumblings from Relic that they won't be releasing modtools this time around, so I hope the community comes up with a solution (happily they usually do).
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Which is entirely possible in the tabletop game, provided you get the opportunity.
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Yeah, that's the idea. You have like 3-4 squads that you micro and care for. It's evident that they want it to have a tactical flavor with the cover, upgrades, levels, and interdependencies like waagh buffs and synapses.
Some of the commanders can build defensive structures if you like digging in, but they still take a bit of unit cap.
If you like larger battles, you should go check out supreme commander which basically revolves around 'more the merrier' instead of unit abilities and micro. I feel DoW2 is about a polar opposite of supcom as you can get, which is a good thing. I'd rather have them cater to different audiences, instead of both trying to reach a middle ground.
Fair enough. Like I said, I understand what they're doing, it's just not my preferred style. But I'll probably mod the hell out of it just like I did DoW1.
As for SupCom, that's a bit too big for me, and doesn't have the Warhammer 40k atmosphere and style that I find so compelling in DoW.
Yeah I know where SirYawnalot is coming from, I really enjoyed the halfscale mod for DoW and would like to see similar return in the future. I can certainly appreciate the more micro style with the rpg elements, I really liked the commander upgrades/deep strikes etc in previous games but I do like to be able to have battles of different scales. Like infantry with only acouple of vehicles for instance or a ****load of both, or even just infantry only.
While the TT accuracy is a noble goal I dont think it should be the only one, theres certainly plenty of 40k to go around
While the TT accuracy is a noble goal I dont think it should be the only one, theres certainly plenty of 40k to go around
It's getting more fun as I play it and start to get the hang of things. It's really satisfying to work with other players and hold our own portions of the map, while assisting eachother with powers unique to each player.
It feels really tactical once you get a couple people on voice chat.
It feels really tactical once you get a couple people on voice chat.
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Ugh, there's ranks and unlocks?
I never was a big fan of RTS games, though I did pick up the DoW collection when I saw the whole shebang for a reasonable price on Direct2Drive. It's kept my interest longer than other RTS's because of the more user-friendly nature of it, but I wouldn't really consider myself a fan. I was debating about DoW2, but hearing this unlocks thing really kills it for me.
BF2142 was ruined by that kind of system, where people farmed points instead of playing for the goal. Heck, Planetside was, too. And just about every other game I can recall that involves that kind of system.
I never was a big fan of RTS games, though I did pick up the DoW collection when I saw the whole shebang for a reasonable price on Direct2Drive. It's kept my interest longer than other RTS's because of the more user-friendly nature of it, but I wouldn't really consider myself a fan. I was debating about DoW2, but hearing this unlocks thing really kills it for me.
BF2142 was ruined by that kind of system, where people farmed points instead of playing for the goal. Heck, Planetside was, too. And just about every other game I can recall that involves that kind of system.
Upon closer inspection, the unlocks are purely cosmetic. You basically have a type of character customization for all of your units, using the unlocks you've earned.
It should also be mentioned that you earn the ranks through winning, so there is no statpadding.
It should also be mentioned that you earn the ranks through winning, so there is no statpadding.
There's always statpadding ... losers that do this always find a way because they focus on beating the mechanics and they will break as they will have superior resources.
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Do the orcs get really large squads in DoW2 ?
Or are they (and the other races) limited to the same size/squad-limits as the Spacemarines ?
I do wonder if anyone will ever do an Epic variant of the WH40k-universe as a pc-game.
Think of it as SupCom with a WH40k-mod ...
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Do the orcs get really large squads in DoW2 ?
Or are they (and the other races) limited to the same size/squad-limits as the Spacemarines ?
I do wonder if anyone will ever do an Epic variant of the WH40k-universe as a pc-game.
Think of it as SupCom with a WH40k-mod ...