Imbalanced Rocket Launcher, YES or NO?

J3FF · 2nd Feb 2008, 08:23 AM

Hey guys,

I've been playing UT3 since the day it was released here in Germany, no doubt it's getting better and better with all the custom mutators and maps but I also here more and more complaints from my team mates as well as from opponents after a match about the (maybe) imbalanced Rocket Launcher.

Just to remind you guys the RL takes up to 100 health points per Rocket.

In my eyes that's quite alright BUT the fact that you can load it up to 3 Rockets at once (3 * 100 = 300) makes it extremely imbalanced.

Bear in mind a Sniper bullet takes 70 damage, a headshot 140 & even a headshot powered up with the U-Damage only takes 280 health points off of the enemy.

So now I'd like to know what you guys think about it.

PS: Yes, I know the Bio-Rifle takes a lot of damage as well but it's got at least some kind of ballistics you have to deal with.

SlipStreams_65 · 2nd Feb 2008, 08:34 AM

IMHO its fine the way it is. The converse to the high damage is the fact that you can easily kill yourself with the splash damage. Its one thing to fire triple rockets that do 300 damage, its quite another to land them on a target. If you have the skill to do that, then I think you deserve the kill. Also, its extremely effective against the heavier vehicles (bender, nemesis) since the ammo is much more plentiful than avrils.

The only real frustration is that theres a fairly common bug that means rockets sometimes dont register damage to the target, and the player can survive a direct hit. Ive had avrils do the same with mantas, though this is obviously more a coding issue than a balance problem.

Zarniwoop · 2nd Feb 2008, 08:38 AM

Rocket launcher seems fine to me, probably the most balanced yet.

UBerserker · 2nd Feb 2008, 08:48 AM

They shouldn't touch it at all. Now, with the Stinger's primary fire, is another story...

dunnie · 2nd Feb 2008, 09:15 AM

random retarded damage

Leo(T.C.K.) · 2nd Feb 2008, 09:54 AM

Dude, did you play the original Unreal games? In the original UT there is rocketlauncher which can launch six rockets at once or grenades and it is even a bit faster than its counterpart from original Unreal in loading.

J3FF · 2nd Feb 2008, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo(T.C.K.)

Dude, did you play the original Unreal games? In the original UT there is rocketlauncher which can launch six rockets at once or grenades and it is even a bit faster than its counterpart from original Unreal in loading.

Yes, I did.

And I can tell you one thing: Back in the days of the original UT no one ever really used the RL! And no one ever loaded up all the rockets!

Maybe you are a casual gamer who mainly plays against bots or so but on a competeive level nobody ever loaded up rockets back in UT!

hyrulian · 2nd Feb 2008, 10:37 AM

I never thought the rocket launcher was unbalanced. Powerful? Yes. Unbalanced? No. There's plenty of ways to get rid of a rocket launcher-wielding enemy.

for one.

Leo(T.C.K.) · 2nd Feb 2008, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J3FF

Yes, I did.

And I can tell you one thing: Back in the days of the original UT no one ever really used the RL! And no one ever loaded up all the rockets!

Maybe you are a casual gamer who mainly plays against bots or so but on a competeive level nobody ever loaded up rockets back in UT!

Well, usually online when you load up all rockets tehre is a little time to do so, so maybe that is why.

[VaLkyR]Anubis · 2nd Feb 2008, 11:12 AM

Rocket Launcher of UT3 is awesome,great balanced like in UT and still my favourite gun.

*Sir_Brizz* · 2nd Feb 2008, 11:22 AM

Are you sure you played Unreal/UT? People used the Rocket Launcher ALL THE TIME.

UBerserker · 2nd Feb 2008, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J3FF

And I can tell you one thing: Back in the days of the original UT no one ever really used the RL! And no one ever loaded up all the rockets!

Although I rarely saw someone charging the RL, in UT (and online) my visual was most of the time covered with rockets going from one side to another. Even to mine!

IronMonkey · 2nd Feb 2008, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir_Brizz

People used the Rocket Launcher ALL THE TIME.

They still do. I love it - they're toast in the face of my dual enforcers.

Jackal · 2nd Feb 2008, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J3FF

Yes, I did.

And I can tell you one thing: Back in the days of the original UT no one ever really used the RL! And no one ever loaded up all the rockets!

Maybe you are a casual gamer who mainly plays against bots or so but on a competeive level nobody ever loaded up rockets back in UT!

Quote of the year anyone?

Or just let the failboat carry on to the ocean?

Kno One · 2nd Feb 2008, 04:50 PM

Fixed

Quote:

Originally Posted by J3FF

Back in the days of the original UT Kno One ever really used the RL! And Kno One ever loaded up all the rockets!

Nothing quite like dumping a full load from the 8-ball into a room full of people.

Banoffee · 2nd Feb 2008, 04:50 PM

[serious]If you get killed by something like the Sniper, the reaction is usually "damn he's good". There wasn't really anything you could do to avoid it.

Get killed by a Rocket, and you blame the weapon. The enemy wasn't good, Rockets are too good right? No, it's a slow-ass projectile. You get hit by a Rocket and YOU made the mistake. YOU didn't move properly to avoid it. The died either because A: you play predictably or B: the opponent did a good job of reading you. Splash damage is needed to make it possible to kill with that weapon, and even then, the damage sucks.

And if you're the one getting tons of kills, you're a good player. That's all it is.[/serious]

Imbalanced? Depends on the level of play, it's the ultimate newb-killer.

Fun to use too. I guess that's why it's popular.

J3FF · 2nd Feb 2008, 05:04 PM

Maybe I should have limited the poll to competetive TDM players only .... too many casual public DM noobs posting here

zynthetic · 2nd Feb 2008, 05:10 PM

My only issue is the firing mode. 2k4 is better in this respect (hold fire to load and press alt for spiral) as it makes grenades pointless most of the time in such a fast paced game. Plus I miss killed players firing off any loading rockets.

Scuzzbuster · 2nd Feb 2008, 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J3FF

Yes, I did.

And I can tell you one thing: Back in the days of the original UT no one ever really used the RL! And no one ever loaded up all the rockets!

I can't believe in any way shape of form that you played the original UT on any level for any reasonable amount of time and made this statement.

I don't believe any other BuFer here that has been playing UT since the start would either.

Kind of makes any arguments are comparison you're trying to make regarding UT3 vs UT completely moot.

Renegade Retard · 2nd Feb 2008, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J3FF

Maybe I should have limited the poll to competetive TDM players only .... too many casual public DM noobs posting here

I think you would find that there's more competitive UT players here than you realize. Some pretty damn good one's that I'd place some money on against just about anyone here.

Oh, and don't call people "noobs" here. It makes you look like a, well...

Anyways, consider that a warning. The thread is being closed due to uselessness and asshat antics.

View Poll Results: Rocket Launcher, imbalanced or not?
It's good the way it is	33	84.62%
Only 1 Rocket with the current damage.	1	2.56%
3 Rockets but with less damage.	3	7.69%
Just 1 Rocket with less damage.	2	5.13%
Voters: 39. You may not vote on this poll

2nd Feb 2008, 08:34 AM	#2
SlipStreams_65 User Titles are Useless. Join Date: Dec. 29th, 2005 Location: Kingdom of boredom Posts: 239	IMHO its fine the way it is. The converse to the high damage is the fact that you can easily kill yourself with the splash damage. Its one thing to fire triple rockets that do 300 damage, its quite another to land them on a target. If you have the skill to do that, then I think you deserve the kill. Also, its extremely effective against the heavier vehicles (bender, nemesis) since the ammo is much more plentiful than avrils. The only real frustration is that theres a fairly common bug that means rockets sometimes dont register damage to the target, and the player can survive a direct hit. Ive had avrils do the same with mantas, though this is obviously more a coding issue than a balance problem. Last edited by SlipStreams_65; 2nd Feb 2008 at 08:35 AM. Reason: my leet typing skills fail me yet again :(

2nd Feb 2008, 08:38 AM	#3
Zarniwoop is cool Join Date: Jan. 20th, 2008 Location: Ceredigion, UK Posts: 1,402	Rocket launcher seems fine to me, probably the most balanced yet. __________________

2nd Feb 2008, 10:37 AM	#8
hyrulian Rainbow Brite Join Date: May. 20th, 2001 Location: Chula Vista, CA Posts: 9,545	I never thought the rocket launcher was unbalanced. Powerful? Yes. Unbalanced? No. There's plenty of ways to get rid of a rocket launcher-wielding enemy. for one. __________________ My Profiles: Facebook :: MySpace :: Steam My Photo Album :: FragBU Community Wiki :: IRC Quotes

2nd Feb 2008, 11:12 AM	#10
[VaLkyR]Anubis Quantum Velocity Join Date: Jan. 20th, 2008 Location: Universe, Mother Earth Posts: 1,487	Rocket Launcher of UT3 is awesome,great balanced like in UT and still my favourite gun. __________________ deviantART~YouTube~Geforce

2nd Feb 2008, 09:15 AM	#5
dunnie Registered User Join Date: Jan. 20th, 2008 Posts: 31	random retarded damage

2nd Feb 2008, 09:54 AM	#6
Leo(T.C.K.) Registered User Join Date: May. 14th, 2006 Posts: 3,707	Dude, did you play the original Unreal games? In the original UT there is rocketlauncher which can launch six rockets at once or grenades and it is even a bit faster than its counterpart from original Unreal in loading.

2nd Feb 2008, 11:22 AM	#11
Sir_Brizz More Than Just Mad Skill Join Date: Feb. 3rd, 2000 Location: >:3 Posts: 25,268	Are you sure you played Unreal/UT? People used the Rocket Launcher ALL THE TIME. __________________ 64 65 61 74 68 62 6f 6f 67 65 72 73 20 6d 6f 74 68 65 72 20 6f 66 20 63 6f 75 72 73 65 Liandri Archives - A veritable smorgasbord of information about the Unreal series If Titanic taught me anything, it's to never let go until you're a frozen corpse staring hopelessly into a barren horizon.

2nd Feb 2008, 04:50 PM	#16
Banoffee Armoured Join Date: Jan. 20th, 2008 Location: UK Posts: 50	IMO [serious]If you get killed by something like the Sniper, the reaction is usually "damn he's good". There wasn't really anything you could do to avoid it. Get killed by a Rocket, and you blame the weapon. The enemy wasn't good, Rockets are too good right? No, it's a slow-ass projectile. You get hit by a Rocket and YOU made the mistake. YOU didn't move properly to avoid it. The died either because A: you play predictably or B: the opponent did a good job of reading you. Splash damage is needed to make it possible to kill with that weapon, and even then, the damage sucks. And if you're the one getting tons of kills, you're a good player. That's all it is.[/serious] Imbalanced? Depends on the level of play, it's the ultimate newb-killer. Fun to use too. I guess that's why it's popular.

2nd Feb 2008, 05:10 PM	#18
zynthetic robot! Join Date: Aug. 12th, 2001 Posts: 2,932	My only issue is the firing mode. 2k4 is better in this respect (hold fire to load and press alt for spiral) as it makes grenades pointless most of the time in such a fast paced game. Plus I miss killed players firing off any loading rockets. __________________

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