should BU mods have the power to come into NC and ban/RO people?

[GoAt]

i vote no.
NC has its own mods and therefore all issues should be handled internaly.


remember the Hal era?

[ReD_Fist]

Leave things the way they are.

[Nachimir]

I also vote no, because NC has often been a bit less scrutinised than the rest of BU. However, because this is a BU hosted forum that vote means approximately jack sh*t: The forum rules apply universally, and we all clicked "I agree".

Also, Cat Fuzz got RO'd for something outside the NC forums.

[QUALTHWAR]

We need to have some sort or rule and structure, folks. It’s not like this is some rogue Viking forum. There are kids, some little kids, who visit here. I don’t want to be responsible for twisting their minds all out of whack.

I’m not saying we need Nazi rule, and we should have some leeway, but we don’t need to get crazy. Whether you know it, or want to admit it, people really do want structure in their lives. If you hear a bad dog growling behind a hedge, you look into the hedge trying to distinguish an outline among the leaves.

I was put on read-only for awhile for a prank that I thought was innocent, but I didn’t fall to the ground kicking and screaming and bad-mouthing people over it. If you let stuff get to you too much, you’re going to pop an artery in your head and talk out of the side of your mouth for the rest of your life.

[Reign]

Hmm, it's kinda like the state power vs federal power argument I guess.

Personally, I don't think that the BU = (Feds) should randomly go over the heads of the local NC = (State) authority. However if the infraction in question takes place on Fed property = (BU off topic), then all bets are off.

If this has anything to do with our Cat getting caged, then I'm not sure why he hasn't been reinstated by now. In fact, from what I read of the incident, it looks like there was an over reaction by one Federal Marshall on a mission and quite a few people got netted in the sting. The extended RO might be because Cat (openly) took the law into his own hands after being "federally" sanctioned and got cheesed. If he would have come back here covertly as AC and not gone back to the scene of the crime (so to speak), I don't think anyone would have bothered him. He still has IRC as an avenue, so I don't know if he presented his case there or not. The whole thing is rather odd actually.

This is all speculation though because I don't have all the facts but what I do know is that keeping Cat on lock down, doesn't serve the best interest of the community: Federal or State.

In general though, I believe that it is understood that any Mod with universally wide forum control can intervene where ever they feel the general rules are being broken. That's the reason they have that kind of sweeping power.

If it were up to me however, the set up would be: Sub-Forum Mods handle Sub-Forum issues except in the case that a Sub-Forum Mod requests the add of a Main Forum(BU) Mod.

If the issue in question is exclusively contained within the Sub-Forum and can be dealt with by the Sub-Forum Mods, then that power should not be superseded by anyone else, with the exception of the Owner of the Forum. (Ruk vs SW is usually handled "in house")

In the event that an incident either starts within a Sub-Forum and overflows into the Main Forum or starts within the Main Forum to begin with, said issue should be handled by the Main Forum Mods without needing to consult the Sub-Forum Mods about the decision. It would still be considered good form to do so but not necessary.

In order to counterbalance the sweeping power of the Main Forum Mods, any major action (RO/Banning) taken against any member of BU by them, should only be allowed (considered legitimate) if at least three Main Mods agree to the action. This would help to prevent a potential blatant misuse of power by one Mod/Admin having a bad day. The Main Mods making the decision would have to detail (to the member) exactly why they took the action against them and out line steps the member can take to rectify the problem.

I was put on read-only for awhile for a prank that I thought was innocent

Ah yes, "the great BU invasion". I remember it well.

[Rukee]

why the hell was that thread closed??? They were exchanging cupcakes compared to some of the other threads NCs seen in the past.

People forced to look at logic and it hurts too much or what??



WT? Retarderator??

[Sir_Brizz]

Cat Fuzz was put on RO because of many posts on the Off Topic forum. AutoCrane was put on RO for RO evasion, which is not allowed. It doesn't matter what part of the forum they visit. Frankly, he is lucky that he didn't get banned.

The RO will be lifted on Jan 23 if he decides to come back. For future reference to everyone here, it is not good form to sass and name call one of the top moderators on BU. There is a reason we have Super Mods, though if there were any NC local issues, we wouldn't typically intervene.

[PsychoMoggieBagpuss]

The NC moderators moderate the NC forums. Only time someone from the BU staff would step in if it broke one of the cardinal rules (porn/warez, etc) and the NC mods hadn't dealt with it yet (not likely to happen as you have a good mod team here).
Now if people start causing trouble in the main BU forums, then the BU team will do what they deem necessary to stop the trouble and/or remove the troublemakers, either on a temporary or permenant basis.

[Sir_Brizz]

Originally Posted by Sir_Brizz

There is a reason we have Super Mods, though if there were any NC local issues, we wouldn't typically intervene.

I was kind of hoping to give that impression when I posted this. We won't intervene in anything on NC unless it's an extremely special case.

[QUALTHWAR]

Right! Like some things need to be removed at all costs, such as scantily clad photos of Rosie O'Donnell.

[Bot_40]

Originally Posted by Rukee

People forced to look at logic and it hurts too much or what??

Yeah, that's why I post here

[Twrecks]

Mods (NC or other BU forum) don't have the power to Ban or RO anyone anyways, we need to go to a BU admin to make it happen. Mods only have powers on their forums, not other ppl's so all this is moot.
If you guys think BU admins don't have a right to interceed in their forums, then that's the wrong tude.

[IndySkyz]

I have no idea what this is all about, but if Nalicity forum is a sub-forum of BU, then by all means they have the right to ban or restrict anyone they feel the need to, for any reason. Thats life deal with it.

[Sir_Brizz]

Originally Posted by Twrecks

Mods (NC or other BU forum) don't have the power to Ban or RO anyone anyways, we need to go to a BU admin to make it happen. Mods only have powers on their forums, not other ppl's so all this is moot.
If you guys think BU admins don't have a right to interceed in their forums, then that's the wrong tude.

Mods do have the power for the whole board, though they should exercise good judgement when banning/ROing anyone, and only when they've posted on their board.

Super Mods have power over the entire board to enforce BU's rules.

Admins can do whatever they want.

[OO7MIKE]

NC is more lax than BU because we are smaller and used to heated debates.

NC is to comedy central as BU is to Fox.

and of course Atari forums has completely gone disney on us. They dont even allow a sarcasm emoticon. LOL

I'm not saying NC is the funny forum either, just on the level that more is allowed here on this cable network than on the mainstream channel that is BU.

Its been a while since I've had an argument with anyone here on the forums. Nobody really wins an argument in a forum anyhow. Its just a matter of how much energy one really wants to put into a debate.

Bottom line is the moderators are here to keep this place clean and on the positive side of things.



I wouldnt even bother creating the Liandri Corp site, Nali beer, beyond unrealade, willhaven matrix parody, Rukee vs Spiritwalker comic, How Virus got his groove, Manta Cake, and other fun creations of mine if I didnt like the community and care about the people in it.

I've been here for 6 years and I have no plans on intentionally leaving.
Huge thanks to everyone who keeps this place running.

[Cat Fuzz]

I got pissed because SF seemed to arbitrarily start closing threads simply because he didn't like them. No rules were being violated, he simply didn't like the thread. I was verbally bitch slapping tool around and was having fun doing it. Sir Brizz lifted my RO, but who knows, SF may reinstate it. If it does go back to RO until Jan. 23rd, I will definatly not come back.

Some people need to grow thicker skins.

[PsychoMoggieBagpuss]

It won't get reinstated, that would be extremely unprofessional and imply that half of us don't know what we're doing

[Nachimir]

I vote not to declare independence

[Nebel]

For once, I'm siding with Cat Fuzz. Talk about power trip.

[Kid Chaos]

Hey, welcome back Cat Fuzz. Now haven't we warned you about playing around with strange Tools. There's just no telling where they've been.
Anyway as you know, an important part of "walking the walk" is knowing when to let stuff go. If I thought "verbally bitch slapping tool around " would do him any good, I'd probably be in line waiting for my turn at it, but it doesn't help. If anything, it makes him look like a martyr in the eyes of some and " he don't learns nothin' ".

If someone closes a thread, why not just "shake the dust of it off of your feet" er..keyboard. In the end, is getting ticked off about someone using the power they were given to govern a free to use gaming forum really worth the aggro? If no rules were broken, then you should be able to (calmy and politely) take it up with the Mod team and inquire "What up wit dat man!!"
Sometimes though, it's best to just say "meh whatever" and move onto some other topic.

In general, I'm not too fond of predefined secular structures of authority (I'm wise enough to set my own standard in every area of life with God's guidance) but where those structures do exist, I try not to run a foul of them if I can help it.
You know what I'm saying, sometimes it's best just to play it cool.

In the 5 or so years I've been here, as you know, I've been in a...ahem..few..cough...heated threads that have been closed and I use to be all "Yo,man! What up wit lockin the thread man. I was ownagein' dem heathens, word. Buncha Nazis man, don't wanna hear the truth that's all! Fight da powah!! " In the end though, there was just no point to all that angst. It didn't help me and it didn't strenghen the points I was trying to get across. Sometimes it's all about how you say, rather than what you say.

These days, if I see a thread (Buf OT in particular) that has degenerated into a poo flinging contest or has the usual pyromaniacs in it, I typically stay clear of it. If I feel that I should comment on the actual topic, then I say my peace. If the few pyros of the forum want to flame on about my comments and act like jerks, I figure there's no point in continuing at that time. Maybe another thread at another time with different people will be worth pursuing. There's always tomorrow after all.

Originally Posted by Cat Fuzz

Sir_Brizz lifted my RO

Nice one Brizz. Shine on