goodness gracious I'm such a Llama!

chillypacman · 19th Dec 2005, 04:25 AM

I wasnt sure were to post this

Anyway, I played the original unreal tournament goty on a celeron 633mhz + onboard graphics, very playable, went through the whole thing (first fps I finished) though I did use god mode for the final boss guy cos he was friggin impossible! Anyway, ut 2003 comes out and I'm stilll running 633mhz onboard graphics combo (go me), game runs, at ~10 fps, thats when I'm looking at hte ground and running! Hell I finished that game also (without god mode this time).
Got a new PC, ut 2003 runs perfect, now I'm actually playing the game and have decided it 'suxorz' too much, so I'm going to go and get unreal tournament 2004.

Umm, I suppose all I want to do is ask a simple question before I spend the few dollars it requires to buy ut 2004: 1) does it havea dvd edition? 2) How is the play different from the older ones? 3) Are the bots smarter in it than in ut 2003?

thanks all

Olga · 19th Dec 2005, 04:36 AM

1) Yes it does. The DVD edition also includes many extras.
2) Its in-between UT and UT2003. There's also Onslaught and Vehicle CTF.
3) Indeed. They use dodge ramps etc.

T2A` · 19th Dec 2005, 11:32 AM

2) And Assault.
3) Smarter than UT2003, yes, but not smart by any stretch of the imagination. They can lift jump, do ramp dodges, move around a map by dodge jumping, move from point to point while not moving in a completely straight line, and dodge every projectile you throw at them by doing things you cannot physically replicate. While they have horrible shock/lightning aim, they make up for it by having inhumanly accurate close-range accuracy with flak, link, minigun, and goo, and thus, aren't very fun to play with.

Also, UT2004 runs better than UT2003 did, so you should see a framerate increase.

*hal* · 19th Dec 2005, 01:46 PM

To illustrate the "inhuman qualities" of the bots, I was playing some TDM with a second bot as a team mate, and I could literally follow him around to know where the other bot team would appear. A second or two before they would come around a corridor, he would begin shooting his link or mini.

It's also fun to run around on a level above the bot. You can actually look down and see the floor glowing green where you are standing because he is shooting directly up at you (completely out of line-of-site, mind you) with his link gun.

CyMek · 19th Dec 2005, 07:30 PM

Personally I miss UT's bots. They seemed far more human to me, and were a lot more fun to play with and against. Not to mention they seemed to have a lot more personality to me, and you knew that if loque was on the other team you were in for a hard fight, and you could always count on certain bots to snipe on Face, things like that. Maybe it's just because of UT's voicepacks and skins, I'm not really sure. One thing I'd bet though is that the AI quality suffered greatly in UT200x since dodgejumps and walldodges etc. are much harder to accurately replicate than single dodges and jumps.

chillypacman · 19th Dec 2005, 09:01 PM

I never used those miserable dodges...

ALG · 19th Dec 2005, 09:22 PM

Gee, someone should make a mod to bring that good old UT feeling back but on the 2k4 engine...

Olga · 19th Dec 2005, 09:48 PM

http://getutr.com/ you dumb butt

nuttella · 19th Dec 2005, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyMek

Personally I miss UT's bots. They seemed far more human to me, and were a lot more fun to play with and against. Not to mention they seemed to have a lot more personality to me, and you knew that if loque was on the other team you were in for a hard fight, and you could always count on certain bots to snipe on Face, things like that.

In other words, they would actually defend a flag, instead of crouching nearby and ignoring half the attackers that come into the base. The UnrealScripted-blah-blah-blah just doesn't work. I don't understand it, and evidently neither do the bots.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALG

Gee, someone should make a mod to bring that good old UT feeling back but on the 2k4 engine...

Actually, this is a big thing missing from UTR. For instance, it's just not November without that bot standing on the crate by the blue flag. I don't know if it's fixable though.

CyMek · 19th Dec 2005, 10:18 PM

The UTR alpha was designed for online play, to get a bugtest and to get some community input. I actually can not say if AI code will ever make it into UTR, since UT2007 might be out before then. if we do change the AI code, it will be one of the last things we do.

Quote:

In other words, they would actually defend a flag, instead of crouching nearby and ignoring half the attackers that come into the base. The UnrealScripted-blah-blah-blah just doesn't work. I don't understand it, and evidently neither do the bots.

I have read tutorial after tutorial trying to figure out how to get this to work in my maps. Apparently in my last released map, I had 6 identical defense actors per base, 3 of which worked in each base. I also miss having the UT bots just kinda work. It feels like I'm holding their hands and dragging them through the map. I had to set up a volume and a number of actors to tell tehm "Don't use the flack cannon longrange, monkies" and then some assault pathes (Which apparently don't work) to get them to use more than one route. :\

If you want Nuttella, we can play some UTR and I'll stand on that crate for ya. :P

briach · 24th Dec 2005, 06:45 PM

Perfect chance to use the llama smiley

chillypacman · 24th Dec 2005, 07:08 PM

lol

Selerox · 24th Dec 2005, 07:09 PM

I still don't quite know how Epic managed to make their bots dumber in their newer games.

UT2004 overall is a much better game than UT2003. It's a lot more like the original UT than UT2003 was.

chillypacman · 24th Dec 2005, 07:14 PM

Well if I recall the original unreal tournament was one of the best games I ever played, I'm assuming I enjoyed that game so much I really didnt care about the bot AI that much.

I dont htink the bots are dumber, perhaps they only appear that way?

19th Dec 2005, 04:25 AM	#1
chillypacman Registered User Join Date: Dec. 19th, 2005 Posts: 32	goodness gracious I'm such a Llama! I wasnt sure were to post this Anyway, I played the original unreal tournament goty on a celeron 633mhz + onboard graphics, very playable, went through the whole thing (first fps I finished) though I did use god mode for the final boss guy cos he was friggin impossible! Anyway, ut 2003 comes out and I'm stilll running 633mhz onboard graphics combo (go me), game runs, at ~10 fps, thats when I'm looking at hte ground and running! Hell I finished that game also (without god mode this time). Got a new PC, ut 2003 runs perfect, now I'm actually playing the game and have decided it 'suxorz' too much, so I'm going to go and get unreal tournament 2004. Umm, I suppose all I want to do is ask a simple question before I spend the few dollars it requires to buy ut 2004: 1) does it havea dvd edition? 2) How is the play different from the older ones? 3) Are the bots smarter in it than in ut 2003? thanks all

19th Dec 2005, 04:36 AM	#2
Olga Miffed Join Date: Sep. 3rd, 2002 Location: Long drawn-out description that everyone who is cool uses. Posts: 934	1) Yes it does. The DVD edition also includes many extras. 2) Its in-between UT and UT2003. There's also Onslaught and Vehicle CTF. 3) Indeed. They use dodge ramps etc. __________________

19th Dec 2005, 01:46 PM	#4
hal Dictator Join Date: Nov. 24th, 1998 Location: -------> Posts: 21,348	To illustrate the "inhuman qualities" of the bots, I was playing some TDM with a second bot as a team mate, and I could literally follow him around to know where the other bot team would appear. A second or two before they would come around a corridor, he would begin shooting his link or mini. It's also fun to run around on a level above the bot. You can actually look down and see the floor glowing green where you are standing because he is shooting directly up at you (completely out of line-of-site, mind you) with his link gun. __________________

19th Dec 2005, 09:22 PM	#7
ALG Gallardo Join Date: Jul. 26th, 2005 Location: WI, with the other pro gamers Posts: 784	Gee, someone should make a mod to bring that good old UT feeling back but on the 2k4 engine... __________________ Originally Posted by Tenkken: EiF is based in Wisconsin. They are a professional group of gamers specializing in AS and TAM, but also open to other gametypes. Tell your friends.

19th Dec 2005, 09:48 PM	#8
Olga Miffed Join Date: Sep. 3rd, 2002 Location: Long drawn-out description that everyone who is cool uses. Posts: 934	http://getutr.com/ you dumb butt __________________

19th Dec 2005, 11:32 AM	#3
T2A` I'm dead. Join Date: Jan. 10th, 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 8,769	2) And Assault. 3) Smarter than UT2003, yes, but not smart by any stretch of the imagination. They can lift jump, do ramp dodges, move around a map by dodge jumping, move from point to point while not moving in a completely straight line, and dodge every projectile you throw at them by doing things you cannot physically replicate. While they have horrible shock/lightning aim, they make up for it by having inhumanly accurate close-range accuracy with flak, link, minigun, and goo, and thus, aren't very fun to play with. Also, UT2004 runs better than UT2003 did, so you should see a framerate increase.

19th Dec 2005, 07:30 PM	#5
CyMek Dead but not gone. Join Date: Jan. 4th, 2004 Posts: 1,931	Personally I miss UT's bots. They seemed far more human to me, and were a lot more fun to play with and against. Not to mention they seemed to have a lot more personality to me, and you knew that if loque was on the other team you were in for a hard fight, and you could always count on certain bots to snipe on Face, things like that. Maybe it's just because of UT's voicepacks and skins, I'm not really sure. One thing I'd bet though is that the AI quality suffered greatly in UT200x since dodgejumps and walldodges etc. are much harder to accurately replicate than single dodges and jumps.

19th Dec 2005, 09:01 PM	#6
chillypacman Registered User Join Date: Dec. 19th, 2005 Posts: 32	I never used those miserable dodges...

24th Dec 2005, 06:45 PM	#11
briach ಠ_ಠ DaReTaL ಠ_ಠ Join Date: Sep. 2nd, 2005 Location: º_º FeiShan º_º Posts: 928	Perfect chance to use the llama smiley __________________

24th Dec 2005, 07:08 PM	#12
chillypacman Registered User Join Date: Dec. 19th, 2005 Posts: 32	lol

24th Dec 2005, 07:09 PM	#13
Selerox COR AD COR LOQVITVR Join Date: Nov. 12th, 1999 Location: TheUKofGBandNI Posts: 6,427	DVD version is a must-have though. I still don't quite know how Epic managed to make their bots dumber in their newer games. UT2004 overall is a much better game than UT2003. It's a lot more like the original UT than UT2003 was. __________________ "There are no Christians, as far as I know, blowing up buildings. I am not aware of Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death. I have mixed feelings about the decline for Christianity, in so far that Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse" - Professor Richard Dawkins

24th Dec 2005, 07:14 PM	#14
chillypacman Registered User Join Date: Dec. 19th, 2005 Posts: 32	Well if I recall the original unreal tournament was one of the best games I ever played, I'm assuming I enjoyed that game so much I really didnt care about the bot AI that much. I dont htink the bots are dumber, perhaps they only appear that way?

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