Must resist throwing computer at wall.

Defeat · 21st Jun 2005, 05:49 PM

>My computer likes to randomly freeze up when i'm in applications. I'm 99.9% sure that it's not a virus, it's not my power supply cause i changed it from a 400W to a 560W, not my graphics card cause i changed it from a GeForce MX440SE 64MB to a GeForce 6800GTOC 256MB, it's not my mouse or keyboard. I have windows XP w/SP2 and all the updates, a 512MB stick of Corsair XMS 3200. The most recent was 2 days ago while playing C&C Generals at a small LAN party and it froze in the middle of the game. I don't have to be on a LAN for it to lock up though. My CPU is a Athlon XP 3000+ w/ a FSB of 400MHz and my mother board is a SOYO Dragon KT600 Ultra Platnium. What the hell is wrong with my computer?!?!?!

GoldenMouse · 21st Jun 2005, 06:39 PM

Probably overheating. Give the innards a good dusting and if it still acts up, get some better cooling on there, most likely on your processor.

Rukee · 21st Jun 2005, 06:41 PM

Just guessing here...
..all chipset drivers up to date?
..if your not overclocking at all, and it`s consistant even after a fresh OS install then I would suspect possably the wrong memory timings or memory voltage too low set by the BIOS at boot up. Check the memory manufacturers page for the correct timings and voltages then compare with CPU-Z and the BIOS.
Memtest86 is a memory testing program you can put on a bootable CD or floppy to run in DOS to test the memory for stability and\or errors.
..have you tryed to load optimal or defalt BIOS settings?
...corrupted windows install perhaps? Have you another HDD or a partition you could install for testing?
..check for a possable BIOS update.
..2 sticks of memory running in dual channel mode will give you a slight performance boost.

Defeat · 21st Jun 2005, 07:30 PM

>I thought it might be over heating but i keep my case clean and I put a new CPU fan on that was rated up to an Athlon 3400+. What are good temperatures for a computer? The chipset drivers are up to date, i have reformatted my HDD around 5 times, my voltages in the BIOS are set to what they should be, i've trind the different bios settings but nothing. Updating the BIOS was something iv'e thought about but 2 of my friends have messed up while doing it and screwed up thier comps so i've been a little afraid to try it. I don't know much about the RAM timings but I had one of my friends check do it for me and it still messed up. I have 2 HDD, one 80 and one 120, both Western Digital. It was only after i got the new motherboard, RAM and CPU when it started doing this so i don't think its the HDD. I think i will cross my fingers and update the bios. Also my mobo doesn't support dual channel RAM so no performance boost for me

ReD_Fist · 21st Jun 2005, 07:46 PM

All I will add,is ,fool around in BIOS,disable all and everthing with ACPI or power saving crap,turn off all "subscriptions" disable auto update as well as programs with auto update.

Another great tool for me is "regmon" just let your system sit there,while having regmon capturing,like leave for a lf hour.
Then when you come back,youl see all the funky things that are happening behind the scenes.
It will at least give you a clue instantly if some other thing is kicking in right away instead of having to be a guru ,that you don't want,or may be interfering.
It worked on winME and works on win2000.

Usualy (for myself) nothing,but winXP bagh,i dunno.

Also i have a very old copy,i dont know if this is free,i think it is
http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Regmon.html

Bot_40 · 22nd Jun 2005, 07:40 AM

If you are sure your drivers etc are all up to date there's no reason why it might not be a software issue. For example, virus checkers often cause a lot of problems.
Try ending all the unessential processes from task manager and see if that helps.

Kantham · 22nd Jun 2005, 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoldenMouse

Probably overheating. Give the innards a good dusting and if it still acts up, get some better cooling on there, most likely on your processor.

Normaly , when my PC overheat, it auto-reset in a matter of a second without asking to save anything (speaking for me here), for of course, save your PC before it burn totaly and you would end up paying a new mobo because you will get bored of it.

I had that recently while using a high PCU usage program. My pc overheated and photoshop don't worked anymore each time i started it. It flushed after reading brushes. Odd. Anyway, your aplications can act like a bitch when you don't close them properly.

I also need to remove alot of dust on my procecor. That would give my CPU a hand.

Rukee · 22nd Jun 2005, 08:32 AM

Your puter needs a blow job.

I use an air gun from an air compressor to blast the dust out of the heat sinks and fans.

Defeat · 23rd Jun 2005, 01:37 AM

>I updated my BIOS, will see if it freezes up this week. The bad thing is that I don't know when it is going to freeze. I've tried that Bot but it still freezes up. My mobo has an auto sensing heat thingy that shuts off the comp at any temp I choose, right now I have it set at 70 degrees Celcius and when it goes off my comp makes a loud countinuous beeping noise until I pull the plug and that hasn'e happened when it freezes. My comp is clean most of the time, once a week I dust it, inside and out. Thanks for the help so far, i'll see what the BIOS update did.

Defeat · 27th Jun 2005, 10:29 PM

>Arrrggg! It did it again, so it's not the bios, crap...

Kantham · 28th Jun 2005, 09:21 AM

By the way, after reading this thread , i decided to clean my procecor. I guess that i would win a medal for the amount of dirt/crap it had. Wow. The pc feel faster now....

oosyxxx · 30th Jun 2005, 05:05 AM

Musty, or not musty; there is no must.

GoldenMouse · 30th Jun 2005, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defeat

It was only after i got the new motherboard, RAM and CPU when it started doing this...

Perhaps one of them is faulty. You can test the memory directly by using memtest, though I don't know how the other two could be tested short of swapping out hardware to isolate each one.

Defeat · 14th Jul 2005, 09:34 PM

>Here is some info that I didn't think to tell because i didn't hink it would help but o well, When my comp crashes the screen messes up the picture on it and goes black after a few seconds, then the out of sync screen comes up. The applications it usually locks up in are C&C Generals, C&C Generals:Zero Hour, and Half Life 2, though the application doesn't have to be a game to lock up.

Rukee · 14th Jul 2005, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defeat

> When my comp crashes the screen messes up the picture on it and goes black after a few seconds, then the out of sync screen comes up.

Just sent back a 9800 pro was doing the exact same thing only it would do it with any 3D app within 2 mins of starting, the screen would go black then give me an out of sync message and then either reboot or just shut down. Got the new one back today and it works alot better, for an ATI anyway.

Defeat · 15th Jul 2005, 06:25 PM

>They way you say it Rukee it sounds like the comp doesn't lock up. Mine does and it has happen with both of the GPUs i have had, mabye it is something to do with the AGP slot on the mobo. Also i use my onboard sound chip,no card. Anyone know where i can barow a mobo from to test it out?

Defeat · 19th Jul 2005, 01:20 AM

>Someone just said that the problem might be from a bad installation, is that possible?

ReD_Fist · 19th Jul 2005, 01:41 AM

Ya got too much sh_t running.I am playing HalfLife2 AMD 1.1 and vid card ti-4600 at AGP 1x,and 512 ram,all is cool,and looks good,and runs really good.To my surprize.

Defeat · 19th Jul 2005, 02:00 AM

>Do you mean processes? I will give a list of the proc i have running when it locks up but I don't think that is it.

21st Jun 2005, 05:49 PM	#1
Defeat GET EM WITH THE BACKSMACK WOOOOO Join Date: Apr. 2nd, 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,933	Must resist throwing computer at wall. >My computer likes to randomly freeze up when i'm in applications. I'm 99.9% sure that it's not a virus, it's not my power supply cause i changed it from a 400W to a 560W, not my graphics card cause i changed it from a GeForce MX440SE 64MB to a GeForce 6800GTOC 256MB, it's not my mouse or keyboard. I have windows XP w/SP2 and all the updates, a 512MB stick of Corsair XMS 3200. The most recent was 2 days ago while playing C&C Generals at a small LAN party and it froze in the middle of the game. I don't have to be on a LAN for it to lock up though. My CPU is a Athlon XP 3000+ w/ a FSB of 400MHz and my mother board is a SOYO Dragon KT600 Ultra Platnium. What the hell is wrong with my computer?!?!?! __________________ "Timing power ups has been around since Halo 1" -Tom Taylor aka T-squared aka a professional Halo player Q3A kill message: HAY YOU JUST KILLED SOMEONE, HAVE FUN BEING KILLED NOW SINCE THIS MESSAGE IS HUGE DRW-Nemesis\|away> just wait for it 2 more months, and even x6 wouldn't able to beat the best TAM teams

21st Jun 2005, 06:41 PM	#3
Rukee Coffee overclocks the overclocker!! Join Date: May. 15th, 2001 Location: Over here!!! Posts: 6,640	Just guessing here... ..all chipset drivers up to date? ..if your not overclocking at all, and it`s consistant even after a fresh OS install then I would suspect possably the wrong memory timings or memory voltage too low set by the BIOS at boot up. Check the memory manufacturers page for the correct timings and voltages then compare with CPU-Z and the BIOS. Memtest86 is a memory testing program you can put on a bootable CD or floppy to run in DOS to test the memory for stability and\or errors. ..have you tryed to load optimal or defalt BIOS settings? ...corrupted windows install perhaps? Have you another HDD or a partition you could install for testing? ..check for a possable BIOS update. ..2 sticks of memory running in dual channel mode will give you a slight performance boost. __________________ "This is your life, good to the last drop. It doesn`t get any better then this, and it`s ending ~one minute at a time." "Take care of your body, where else are you going to live" My car ownz you!! Restoration pictures password is 'GTO'

21st Jun 2005, 07:30 PM	#4
Defeat GET EM WITH THE BACKSMACK WOOOOO Join Date: Apr. 2nd, 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,933	>I thought it might be over heating but i keep my case clean and I put a new CPU fan on that was rated up to an Athlon 3400+. What are good temperatures for a computer? The chipset drivers are up to date, i have reformatted my HDD around 5 times, my voltages in the BIOS are set to what they should be, i've trind the different bios settings but nothing. Updating the BIOS was something iv'e thought about but 2 of my friends have messed up while doing it and screwed up thier comps so i've been a little afraid to try it. I don't know much about the RAM timings but I had one of my friends check do it for me and it still messed up. I have 2 HDD, one 80 and one 120, both Western Digital. It was only after i got the new motherboard, RAM and CPU when it started doing this so i don't think its the HDD. I think i will cross my fingers and update the bios. Also my mobo doesn't support dual channel RAM so no performance boost for me __________________ "Timing power ups has been around since Halo 1" -Tom Taylor aka T-squared aka a professional Halo player Q3A kill message: HAY YOU JUST KILLED SOMEONE, HAVE FUN BEING KILLED NOW SINCE THIS MESSAGE IS HUGE DRW-Nemesis\|away> just wait for it 2 more months, and even x6 wouldn't able to beat the best TAM teams

21st Jun 2005, 07:46 PM	#5
ReD_Fist Banned Join Date: Sep. 6th, 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,404	All I will add,is ,fool around in BIOS,disable all and everthing with ACPI or power saving crap,turn off all "subscriptions" disable auto update as well as programs with auto update. Another great tool for me is "regmon" just let your system sit there,while having regmon capturing,like leave for a lf hour. Then when you come back,youl see all the funky things that are happening behind the scenes. It will at least give you a clue instantly if some other thing is kicking in right away instead of having to be a guru ,that you don't want,or may be interfering. It worked on winME and works on win2000. Usualy (for myself) nothing,but winXP bagh,i dunno. Also i have a very old copy,i dont know if this is free,i think it is http://www.sysinternals.com/Utilities/Regmon.html __________________ RF out............... Last edited by ReD_Fist; 21st Jun 2005 at 07:52 PM.

22nd Jun 2005, 07:40 AM	#6
Bot_40 Go in drains Join Date: Nov. 3rd, 2001 Location: York, UK Posts: 2,911	If you are sure your drivers etc are all up to date there's no reason why it might not be a software issue. For example, virus checkers often cause a lot of problems. Try ending all the unessential processes from task manager and see if that helps. __________________ New Website "Purple Ants's national animal is the giant hourences and its currency is the zlal."

21st Jun 2005, 06:39 PM	#2
GoldenMouse Mad Hatter Join Date: Nov. 14th, 2001 Location: Backwoods Ohio Posts: 2,011	Probably overheating. Give the innards a good dusting and if it still acts up, get some better cooling on there, most likely on your processor.

22nd Jun 2005, 08:32 AM	#8
Rukee Coffee overclocks the overclocker!! Join Date: May. 15th, 2001 Location: Over here!!! Posts: 6,640	Your puter needs a blow job. I use an air gun from an air compressor to blast the dust out of the heat sinks and fans. __________________ "This is your life, good to the last drop. It doesn`t get any better then this, and it`s ending ~one minute at a time." "Take care of your body, where else are you going to live" My car ownz you!! Restoration pictures password is 'GTO'

23rd Jun 2005, 01:37 AM	#9
Defeat GET EM WITH THE BACKSMACK WOOOOO Join Date: Apr. 2nd, 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,933	>I updated my BIOS, will see if it freezes up this week. The bad thing is that I don't know when it is going to freeze. I've tried that Bot but it still freezes up. My mobo has an auto sensing heat thingy that shuts off the comp at any temp I choose, right now I have it set at 70 degrees Celcius and when it goes off my comp makes a loud countinuous beeping noise until I pull the plug and that hasn'e happened when it freezes. My comp is clean most of the time, once a week I dust it, inside and out. Thanks for the help so far, i'll see what the BIOS update did. __________________ "Timing power ups has been around since Halo 1" -Tom Taylor aka T-squared aka a professional Halo player Q3A kill message: HAY YOU JUST KILLED SOMEONE, HAVE FUN BEING KILLED NOW SINCE THIS MESSAGE IS HUGE DRW-Nemesis\|away> just wait for it 2 more months, and even x6 wouldn't able to beat the best TAM teams

27th Jun 2005, 10:29 PM	#10
Defeat GET EM WITH THE BACKSMACK WOOOOO Join Date: Apr. 2nd, 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,933	>Arrrggg! It did it again, so it's not the bios, crap... __________________ "Timing power ups has been around since Halo 1" -Tom Taylor aka T-squared aka a professional Halo player Q3A kill message: HAY YOU JUST KILLED SOMEONE, HAVE FUN BEING KILLED NOW SINCE THIS MESSAGE IS HUGE DRW-Nemesis\|away> just wait for it 2 more months, and even x6 wouldn't able to beat the best TAM teams

28th Jun 2005, 09:21 AM	#11
Kantham Fool. Join Date: Sep. 17th, 2004 Posts: 17,972	By the way, after reading this thread , i decided to clean my procecor. I guess that i would win a medal for the amount of dirt/crap it had. Wow. The pc feel faster now.... __________________

30th Jun 2005, 05:05 AM	#12
oosyxxx teh3vilspa7ula Join Date: Jan. 4th, 2000 Posts: 3,016	Musty, or not musty; there is no must.

14th Jul 2005, 09:34 PM	#14
Defeat GET EM WITH THE BACKSMACK WOOOOO Join Date: Apr. 2nd, 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,933	>Here is some info that I didn't think to tell because i didn't hink it would help but o well, When my comp crashes the screen messes up the picture on it and goes black after a few seconds, then the out of sync screen comes up. The applications it usually locks up in are C&C Generals, C&C Generals:Zero Hour, and Half Life 2, though the application doesn't have to be a game to lock up. __________________ "Timing power ups has been around since Halo 1" -Tom Taylor aka T-squared aka a professional Halo player Q3A kill message: HAY YOU JUST KILLED SOMEONE, HAVE FUN BEING KILLED NOW SINCE THIS MESSAGE IS HUGE DRW-Nemesis\|away> just wait for it 2 more months, and even x6 wouldn't able to beat the best TAM teams

15th Jul 2005, 06:25 PM	#16
Defeat GET EM WITH THE BACKSMACK WOOOOO Join Date: Apr. 2nd, 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,933	>They way you say it Rukee it sounds like the comp doesn't lock up. Mine does and it has happen with both of the GPUs i have had, mabye it is something to do with the AGP slot on the mobo. Also i use my onboard sound chip,no card. Anyone know where i can barow a mobo from to test it out? __________________ "Timing power ups has been around since Halo 1" -Tom Taylor aka T-squared aka a professional Halo player Q3A kill message: HAY YOU JUST KILLED SOMEONE, HAVE FUN BEING KILLED NOW SINCE THIS MESSAGE IS HUGE DRW-Nemesis\|away> just wait for it 2 more months, and even x6 wouldn't able to beat the best TAM teams

19th Jul 2005, 01:20 AM	#17
Defeat GET EM WITH THE BACKSMACK WOOOOO Join Date: Apr. 2nd, 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,933	>Someone just said that the problem might be from a bad installation, is that possible? __________________ "Timing power ups has been around since Halo 1" -Tom Taylor aka T-squared aka a professional Halo player Q3A kill message: HAY YOU JUST KILLED SOMEONE, HAVE FUN BEING KILLED NOW SINCE THIS MESSAGE IS HUGE DRW-Nemesis\|away> just wait for it 2 more months, and even x6 wouldn't able to beat the best TAM teams

19th Jul 2005, 01:41 AM	#18
ReD_Fist Banned Join Date: Sep. 6th, 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,404	Ya got too much sh_t running.I am playing HalfLife2 AMD 1.1 and vid card ti-4600 at AGP 1x,and 512 ram,all is cool,and looks good,and runs really good.To my surprize. __________________ RF out...............

19th Jul 2005, 02:00 AM	#19
Defeat GET EM WITH THE BACKSMACK WOOOOO Join Date: Apr. 2nd, 2005 Location: Illinois Posts: 2,933	>Do you mean processes? I will give a list of the proc i have running when it locks up but I don't think that is it. __________________ "Timing power ups has been around since Halo 1" -Tom Taylor aka T-squared aka a professional Halo player Q3A kill message: HAY YOU JUST KILLED SOMEONE, HAVE FUN BEING KILLED NOW SINCE THIS MESSAGE IS HUGE DRW-Nemesis\|away> just wait for it 2 more months, and even x6 wouldn't able to beat the best TAM teams

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