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Old 30th Apr 2005, 12:01 AM   #1
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Do you think the projectiles should fly faster?

Since they are so easy to dodge at long distance...
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Old 30th Apr 2005, 01:29 AM   #2
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Old 30th Apr 2005, 02:53 AM   #3
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no?
the main problem wasn't with the partile speeds. but rather with the "bouncyness" of the characters, they could dodge around so easily, aparently you won't be able to in the next UT.
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Old 30th Apr 2005, 03:05 AM   #4
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I think there should be more projectiles that take in account which direction you are moving at the time they are fired. This way there will be a logical reason to play aggressively. So if you dodge forward while firing, the projectile will take on the momentum of the weapon operator. As it is right now, other than link primary there is not a reason in the world for someone to charge someone else with projectile weapon other than link out in the open, because the plasma gap condenses, unless they don't have a weapon or are trying to set up a combo or something. This is why I like ws off, becuase there are actual situations where you don't have to act defensive to win when the other person is at same skill level.
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Old 30th Apr 2005, 10:05 AM   #5
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You can fire a non-charged ASS rifle grenade while dodging forward. It goes almost as far as a fully charged one.

And no to the original thread question. Learning the projectiles speeds are part of the learning curve of 2k4 and I wouldn't have it any other way.

Plus i don't know bout' you guys but when I run up against a good rox player I can't dodge them for poop they come at me so fast haha.
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Old 30th Apr 2005, 10:07 AM   #6
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Erm

What? flak shell?

No.Just.... no
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Old 30th Apr 2005, 11:57 AM   #7
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Yes, of course. Hey, all weapons should be hit-scan.

The second you lob a grenade, it shoot travel towards the target at 1million miles/h and injure/kill it.

Flak shells, same thing.

But hey, the game speed should be a standard 300%. To maintain some balance.
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Old 30th Apr 2005, 01:16 PM   #8
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Should projectiles in UT2004 fly faster? Maybe. In UT3? Highly doubt it. UT2004's whole dynamic is based on the dodge-jump, which is going to be removed for UT3. It made the maps huge (look at Goliath, FFS), which consequently made hitscan overpowering and projectiles underpowered because you're quite often not very close to your opponent. Perhaps having some acceleration on the rockets in UT2004 would alleviate some of this problem. Or maybe adding your current momentum to the rockets' would fix the problem, because like bri said, there's really no reason to play aggressively in this game. It's all about power-up control and hanging back and wailing on people with hitscan unless you're around the power-ups, in which case projectiles can actually help. I play aggressively all the time, and I get owned because of it. At a distance I get hit with shock beams left and right, then when I try to move in, I get comboed. Nowhere in the transaction are projectiles involved in my death most of the time. People say that hitscan doesn't rule this game, and I don't believe that for a second. If you suck at hitscan, you're bound to not be a competitive player. I suck at hitscan, so I play the role of the crazy guy who dodges like a monkey on speed and flings projectiles everywhere, and on servers where skilled players troll, I get completely owned every time.

Anyway, I don't see projectile speed being an issue in UT3 because it's supposed to be more close-quarters.
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Old 30th Apr 2005, 06:00 PM   #9
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well you can fling the spidermines with your own momentum and thats when it gets spammy... but like , with slower projectile speeds and slower movement speeds , not only does the game cater better for people with lousy computers , but i think it can make the game feel 'bigger' in a way, like you think wooaahh hes so far away yet i predicted his moves and hit him with the stinger... there will still be a place for the blinding speed of hitscan, but if the game can be made to be closer-quarters and you can see more stuff flying around you, then it will be cool...
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Old 6th May 2005, 11:38 AM   #10
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if the map to player scale is the same they should make projectiles much faster but i think that would suck and its likely they are adressing player movement, and map scale at epic already.
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Old 6th May 2005, 03:31 PM   #11
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if you look at it from a strictly default player speed point of view, then it controls the 'map scale' ... the speed at which you travel through your own bodywidth might be arbitiary, but the feeling of size in a map is directly related to it... you can have pointlessly large maps, or cramp undersized maps, and then you can also have perfectly sized maps like the adjustment of scale of deck17 compared to deck16 (in ut99) , and player size relative to a level like this is then judged by all of us... right now, i think the playersize is abit too small compared to that level...
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Old 9th May 2005, 04:44 PM   #12
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Should projectiles in UT2004 fly faster? Maybe. In UT3? Highly doubt it. UT2004's whole dynamic is based on the dodge-jump, which is going to be removed for UT3. It made the maps huge (look at Goliath, FFS), which consequently made hitscan overpowering and projectiles underpowered because you're quite often not very close to your opponent. Perhaps having some acceleration on the rockets in UT2004 would alleviate some of this problem. Or maybe adding your current momentum to the rockets' would fix the problem, because like bri said, there's really no reason to play aggressively in this game. It's all about power-up control and hanging back and wailing on people with hitscan unless you're around the power-ups, in which case projectiles can actually help. I play aggressively all the time, and I get owned because of it. At a distance I get hit with shock beams left and right, then when I try to move in, I get comboed. Nowhere in the transaction are projectiles involved in my death most of the time. People say that hitscan doesn't rule this game, and I don't believe that for a second. If you suck at hitscan, you're bound to not be a competitive player. I suck at hitscan, so I play the role of the crazy guy who dodges like a monkey on speed and flings projectiles everywhere, and on servers where skilled players troll, I get completely owned every time.

Anyway, I don't see projectile speed being an issue in UT3 because it's supposed to be more close-quarters.

I really agree, I'm a very agressive player and I own with Flak and Rocket and because the hitscans, mostly shock, are overpowered, it make guys like me and Turn2Ashesh, worthless in big maps, unless we can play lame with hitscan too. I almost just get killed by shock combo whores, so to be even better, I had to get use to this lame gun so I would own at close and not get too much owned at far.

Next UT gonna own so much, just when they said (there will be a lot more close-fights) I was like Cause its true as they said, that most fights in UT2004 are Medium-Range...

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