No more Button Combos?

NiteX · 6th Apr 2005, 01:42 PM

I noticed that Envy no longer has the combos that were first introduced in UT2k3. In a way I'm very glad. The combo system felt awkward and out of place in UT. While it did add a little more to it, it just didn’t feel right. Also, the giant capsule pills in the maps looked very silly. So is anyone else glad to see this go? I have to admit though speed helped out a lot in CTF. Booster also helped out in Invasion. Other than that, they didn’t have much use. If they do keep a “power up” system I would rather have something similar to the UC2 system or make them as pick ups sort of like Udamage. But I don’t want any more pills in any of the maps.

Selerox · 6th Apr 2005, 01:53 PM

The Adrenaline system was very unpopular with a lot of people (myself included). It might have worked out well under a different type of system, but it was unworkable the way it was. The adrenaline screwed up teams games a lot and made for some unbalanced games.

I'm pretty glad to see it go, but the idea of maybe having some of the "powers" as pickup items would work (Invisibility was a pickup in the original UT, not sure about Unreal). Maybe a toned down Booster or Berzerk pickup might work, other than that I don't think it's useable.

carmatic · 6th Apr 2005, 01:54 PM

or you can revert to the system back in ut99 where you picked up these thingies which gave you adrenaline-like properties... i think that was much cooler, plus it helps bring back the ut99'ers

Xaero · 6th Apr 2005, 01:59 PM

Im suprised noone compained that the little pills in 2k4 would turn their kids into drug addicts.

I'm glad to see them go as well.

1337 · 6th Apr 2005, 02:01 PM

The main thing that caused me to dislike the adrenaline was the combos were always set off on accident. I always do the speed combo accidently in TAM because I forward dodge a lot, and my double click time is at .14. Plus all the combos but invisibility and booster throw off you aim and/or weapon reload time. I think it would be better if the adrenaline combo could be enabled by pressing one button then pressing the corresponding pattern to execute the combo.

T2A` · 6th Apr 2005, 02:28 PM

I dodge back and forth a lot so I sometimes activate invisibility accidently and it pisses me off. Having (some) of them as pickups is a better idea.

UnrealGrrl · 6th Apr 2005, 03:01 PM

lol its funny, Relics got a bad name when they came out for UT now ppl want them back (in a way) i guess its all relative. i liked them better than adren myself... theres nothing like a good vengence relic to clear a flag room

JaFO · 6th Apr 2005, 03:04 PM

IMHO the real problems for the 'combo'-system were/are :
- that it was impossible to extend (there's only so many ways you can hit directional-buttons and remember what sequence activates what power)

- it is very newbie-unfriendly
IIRC the combo's weren't exactly documented completely, which was their worst idea ever.

I'm not sure how UC1 handled combo's, but in UC2 they aren't the impossible FF/BB-type key-sequences. It kind of works like the voicecommands in UT.
ie : hit <combo-key> to indicate you want a combo, then press <key 1> for adrenaline-power 1 and you're set.

I do like the idea of being able to choose when and where to activate these powers, because limiting their use near the origin of the 'artifact' would kind of negate the threat/tactical advantage of having them.

UnrealGrrl · 6th Apr 2005, 03:18 PM

well hopefully its not too much like uc2 because combos there are intended to be used all the time... if they even included any i would hope they were limited like relics were. but we'll all wait n see!

6th Apr 2005, 03:34 PM

I agree with Selerox and NiteX. I'm glad to the see the adrenaline go. It just didn't fit in the game properly. It serves no purpose.
Bye, adrenaline.

O.S.T · 6th Apr 2005, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JaFO

- it is very newbie-unfriendly

not only how to use it, in game too
I was on a server where a guy made the invisible combo all the time and all the newbies there didn't had a chance
but on the other hand: he was a pretty bad player, even moi beat him, so he was a very bad player

carmatic · 6th Apr 2005, 03:51 PM

adrrreeENNNAAALLIIINNeee!!

anyway, yeah theyre called 'relics', well like if adrenalines needed 4 keypresses to start, and they had 4 keys to press, then it would be 4 X 4 X 4 X 4 number of possibilities, all you gotta do is remember which one you want... like , try remembering 256 types of different combos to pull off in an instant in any given situation , feels more like martial arts than playing a nice relaxing game of owning someone...

JaFO · 6th Apr 2005, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UnrealGrrl

well hopefully its not too much like uc2 because combos there are intended to be used all the time... if they even included any i would hope they were limited like relics were. but we'll all wait n see!

That I agree. The UC2-system makes combo's far too easy and common.
'Envy' should make it a less common occurence.

Some ideas :
- less pills on a given map (something Epic and some community-maps already did in UT2k4)

- the 'system'/powers are unavailable for a little while after being used

- after using a combo the amount of adrenaline gained for various activities is severely reduced

That could result in adrenaline-powers becoming valued commodities that need to be saved for that 'special' moment.

Nemephosis · 6th Apr 2005, 04:48 PM

Did they ever actively say that adren is gone, or are we just working off the fact that they haven't said it will be in yet?

I've been reading up on UT2006 (that's what I'm going by, I hate the codename) as much as I can and I haven't heard that Adren is definitely gone.

Besides, some diehard will mod it in I'm sure.

BooGiTyBoY · 6th Apr 2005, 04:55 PM

I'm gonna miss my berzerk shield jumping....
*sniff sniff.

T2A` · 6th Apr 2005, 05:16 PM

Pickups make more sense considering double damage is a pickup. Look at Q3 for an example. They have Haste, which replaces both UT2004's speed and berserk combos.

I will miss berserk shield jumping though...

"Blue flag taken!" (Citadel)
One Mississippi...
Two Mississippi...
Three Mississippi...
Four Mississippi...
Five Mississippi...
"Red team increases their lead!"

NiteX · 6th Apr 2005, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemephosis

Did they ever actively say that adren is gone, or are we just working off the fact that they haven't said it will be in yet?
.

Heh, I was thinking about that as well. When I made the post I wasn't sure if they just didn't announce it yet, or if they really removed the combos. So I really wanted to make this thread to just find out who liked the combo system and who didn't. Clearly everyone is against it. I'm pretty sure that Envy will no longer have the combo system. At least not how is was in 2k3/2k4. I could easily be wrong though.

BooGiTyBoY · 6th Apr 2005, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turns2Ashes

I will miss berserk shield jumping though...

"Blue flag taken!" (Citadel)
One Mississippi...
Two Mississippi...
Three Mississippi...
Four Mississippi...
Five Mississippi...
"Red team increases their lead!"

Player: "OMG FOOKIN' H4X0r!!!!"
"You have been kicked from Server"

Fixed.

JaFO · 6th Apr 2005, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nemephosis

Did they ever actively say that adren is gone, or are we just working off the fact that they haven't said it will be in yet?

You're right ... I don't recall reading that either, but then again I never read the CGW-article. I think a lot of people are currently making their own assumptions about the features in UT2k6/'Envy' based on their own fears, hates & wants.
I'd wished that Epic had told us 'Envy' = april fools' joke, instead of starting the hype-machine like this.

Quote:

...
Besides, some diehard will mod it in I'm sure.

I doubt they could mod it because the button-combo's themselves were part of the core-system, unless I'm mistaken.

carmatic · 6th Apr 2005, 06:06 PM

hm april fools is some strange time to be announcing a game allright...

there are mods out there that give you extra adrenaline combos for ut2k3 and 2k4, but maybe they will make it so that envy is impossible to log keystrokes to execute combos

personally i dont have that much of a problem with accidentally executing combos, like i dont even get enough adrenaline most of the matches im in
besides, having the invisible combo in invasion is just pure uselessness, the monsters attack you all the same

6th Apr 2005, 01:42 PM	#1
NiteX Unreal Junky Join Date: Feb. 11th, 2004 Location: La Posts: 37	No more Button Combos? I noticed that Envy no longer has the combos that were first introduced in UT2k3. In a way I'm very glad. The combo system felt awkward and out of place in UT. While it did add a little more to it, it just didn’t feel right. Also, the giant capsule pills in the maps looked very silly. So is anyone else glad to see this go? I have to admit though speed helped out a lot in CTF. Booster also helped out in Invasion. Other than that, they didn’t have much use. If they do keep a “power up” system I would rather have something similar to the UC2 system or make them as pick ups sort of like Udamage. But I don’t want any more pills in any of the maps.

6th Apr 2005, 01:53 PM	#2
Selerox COR AD COR LOQVITVR Join Date: Nov. 12th, 1999 Location: TheUKofGBandNI Posts: 6,427	You're not the only one :) The Adrenaline system was very unpopular with a lot of people (myself included). It might have worked out well under a different type of system, but it was unworkable the way it was. The adrenaline screwed up teams games a lot and made for some unbalanced games. I'm pretty glad to see it go, but the idea of maybe having some of the "powers" as pickup items would work (Invisibility was a pickup in the original UT, not sure about Unreal). Maybe a toned down Booster or Berzerk pickup might work, other than that I don't think it's useable. __________________ "There are no Christians, as far as I know, blowing up buildings. I am not aware of Christian suicide bombers. I am not aware of any major Christian denomination that believes the penalty for apostasy is death. I have mixed feelings about the decline for Christianity, in so far that Christianity might be a bulwark against something worse" - Professor Richard Dawkins

6th Apr 2005, 01:54 PM	#3
carmatic Registered User Join Date: Jan. 31st, 2004 Posts: 746	or you can revert to the system back in ut99 where you picked up these thingies which gave you adrenaline-like properties... i think that was much cooler, plus it helps bring back the ut99'ers __________________ This world is not perfect.Everything is where they will be.

6th Apr 2005, 01:59 PM	#4
Xaero Who Dey! Join Date: Oct. 11th, 2003 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 2,548	Im suprised noone compained that the little pills in 2k4 would turn their kids into drug addicts. I'm glad to see them go as well. __________________

6th Apr 2005, 02:01 PM	#5
1337 1337 Join Date: Jun. 23rd, 2004 Posts: 1,337	The main thing that caused me to dislike the adrenaline was the combos were always set off on accident. I always do the speed combo accidently in TAM because I forward dodge a lot, and my double click time is at .14. Plus all the combos but invisibility and booster throw off you aim and/or weapon reload time. I think it would be better if the adrenaline combo could be enabled by pressing one button then pressing the corresponding pattern to execute the combo. __________________ Ô>Ô 1337 Ô<Ô

6th Apr 2005, 02:28 PM	#6
T2A` I'm dead. Join Date: Jan. 10th, 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 8,769	I dodge back and forth a lot so I sometimes activate invisibility accidently and it pisses me off. Having (some) of them as pickups is a better idea.

6th Apr 2005, 03:01 PM	#7
UnrealGrrl Enemy flag carrier is Her! Join Date: Jun. 16th, 2000 Posts: 1,684	lol its funny, Relics got a bad name when they came out for UT now ppl want them back (in a way) i guess its all relative. i liked them better than adren myself... theres nothing like a good vengence relic to clear a flag room __________________ Sioux www.unrealgrrl.com

6th Apr 2005, 03:04 PM	#8
JaFO bugs are features too ... Join Date: Nov. 5th, 2000 Posts: 5,483	IMHO the real problems for the 'combo'-system were/are : - that it was impossible to extend (there's only so many ways you can hit directional-buttons and remember what sequence activates what power) - it is very newbie-unfriendly IIRC the combo's weren't exactly documented completely, which was their worst idea ever. I'm not sure how UC1 handled combo's, but in UC2 they aren't the impossible FF/BB-type key-sequences. It kind of works like the voicecommands in UT. ie : hit <combo-key> to indicate you want a combo, then press <key 1> for adrenaline-power 1 and you're set. I do like the idea of being able to choose when and where to activate these powers, because limiting their use near the origin of the 'artifact' would kind of negate the threat/tactical advantage of having them.

6th Apr 2005, 03:18 PM	#9
UnrealGrrl Enemy flag carrier is Her! Join Date: Jun. 16th, 2000 Posts: 1,684	well hopefully its not too much like uc2 because combos there are intended to be used all the time... if they even included any i would hope they were limited like relics were. but we'll all wait n see! __________________ Sioux www.unrealgrrl.com

6th Apr 2005, 03:34 PM	#10
Tournament0 Guest Posts: n/a	I agree with Selerox and NiteX. I'm glad to the see the adrenaline go. It just didn't fit in the game properly. It serves no purpose. Bye, adrenaline.

6th Apr 2005, 03:51 PM	#12
carmatic Registered User Join Date: Jan. 31st, 2004 Posts: 746	adrrreeENNNAAALLIIINNeee!! anyway, yeah theyre called 'relics', well like if adrenalines needed 4 keypresses to start, and they had 4 keys to press, then it would be 4 X 4 X 4 X 4 number of possibilities, all you gotta do is remember which one you want... like , try remembering 256 types of different combos to pull off in an instant in any given situation , feels more like martial arts than playing a nice relaxing game of owning someone... __________________ This world is not perfect.Everything is where they will be.

6th Apr 2005, 04:48 PM	#14
Nemephosis lol Join Date: Aug. 10th, 2000 Posts: 7,516	Did they ever actively say that adren is gone, or are we just working off the fact that they haven't said it will be in yet? I've been reading up on UT2006 (that's what I'm going by, I hate the codename) as much as I can and I haven't heard that Adren is definitely gone. Besides, some diehard will mod it in I'm sure.

6th Apr 2005, 05:16 PM	#16
T2A` I'm dead. Join Date: Jan. 10th, 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 8,769	Pickups make more sense considering double damage is a pickup. Look at Q3 for an example. They have Haste, which replaces both UT2004's speed and berserk combos. I will miss berserk shield jumping though... "Blue flag taken!" (Citadel) One Mississippi... Two Mississippi... Three Mississippi... Four Mississippi... Five Mississippi... "Red team increases their lead!" Last edited by T2A`; 6th Apr 2005 at 05:20 PM.

6th Apr 2005, 06:06 PM	#20
carmatic Registered User Join Date: Jan. 31st, 2004 Posts: 746	hm april fools is some strange time to be announcing a game allright... there are mods out there that give you extra adrenaline combos for ut2k3 and 2k4, but maybe they will make it so that envy is impossible to log keystrokes to execute combos personally i dont have that much of a problem with accidentally executing combos, like i dont even get enough adrenaline most of the matches im in besides, having the invisible combo in invasion is just pure uselessness, the monsters attack you all the same __________________ This world is not perfect.Everything is where they will be.

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