Cost of going Inf. retail

that guy · 27th Mar 2005, 11:47 PM

Just to fullfill my curiousity, what would be the costs of going commercial with Inf and the Source engine?

I tried to google up licencing costs but most sights said that they were under NDA but estimated around $350K-750K with most around the 500K mark (USD OC).

Anyone have any Ideas about this? Not ultradetailed or anything just a rough estimate of dev over say 3.5yrs.

geogob · 28th Mar 2005, 12:02 AM

The biggest cost could be content-wize.

EDIT: In other words, I don't think it's possible to make a game as good as INF by going retail. This sort of game is more "underground". If you want to go retail with a 500k engine license + dev costs, you have to make sales... to make sales you must make a mainstream game (see BF1942, CS and cie). Hence my comment, the biggest cost of INF going retail would be in the content. Of course the modification could go retail... mm but that pretty close to what they did with 2.9, selling CDs. Only difference is that it would have to be distributed by someone (atari, or what ever) that distributes game to stores. That would be much less expensive than licensing the engine... but selling a modification like that...mmm. Then you could go retail over steam (I guess). But one way or the other, licensing an engine would affect the game content a lot. It has to (unless they want to do a 499k gift to this community.

Vega-don · 28th Mar 2005, 06:44 AM

you can sale a realist game, im sure of it, but you need $$$ for promotion

Jagdtiger · 28th Mar 2005, 07:09 AM

When I win the lottery I'll buy Cuba and sell it there.

Nukeproof · 30th Mar 2005, 09:11 AM

Well, "The third Reich" Team just bought a commercial license (some sort of less wellknown engine... forgot the name).

I don't think you need wagonloads of money but beeing forced to aim for commercial success might be the biggest sacrifice... like Geo pointed out.

(SDS)benmcl · 30th Mar 2005, 10:54 AM

The bigger the budget the more water down the product. Just take a look at the movie industry. The bigger the budgets the crappier the movie is. Yes there are exceptions but they just prove the rule.

Psychomorph · 30th Mar 2005, 06:26 PM

Right.

As I know Tactical Ops for UT went retail. Don't know about it, never really played TO.

that guy · 30th Mar 2005, 08:18 PM

Yeah I play TO 2.0 for quite a while, TO:AOT 3.X sucked big time and the cost for going retail was a crappy game.

I think though Inf. would/could avoid this trap as the team is pretty certain on what they want.

Almost · 30th Mar 2005, 11:20 PM

Usually, or at least often, smaller compaines will have to do whatever they are told to do, wheter they like it or not. The gaming industry works much like other industries. The guy with the money calls the shots. If developers are told to "Make it more like Counterstrike" or "Why is this guy moving slower sideways than forward? Fix it.", then that is what developers do. Freedom within the preset frames, yes. But if the million dollar-man tells you to change something, you do.

Psychomorph · 31st Mar 2005, 08:27 AM

Yes, keep INF free, so SS can make what ever it want/can. Most of us are aware of that making a game in freetime costs time, but thats the prize for such a great project.

I just hope SS can pack a huge ammount of personal (modelers, coders, skinner), that would increase the time. Hell I would applicate myself to SS, but my skills are low and I have nothing to present. I'm not a help

.
My only skill is to present insane ideas and useless suggestions, which I will release in a pdf soon

, even if nobody, not SS cares about, lol.

asmodeus · 8th Apr 2005, 12:02 AM

there are free engines, even some commercial engines

http://www.devmaster.net/engines/

this one looks particulary good http://www.garagegames.com/pg/product/view.php?id=1

geogob · 8th Apr 2005, 12:26 AM

torque!

asmodeus · 8th Apr 2005, 12:40 AM

http://realmforge.com/

still alpha tough

mbs357 · 12th Apr 2005, 09:36 PM

Agreed. To go retail means you need to make a profit. You're not going to make a profit off the entire Inf community as it is (35 people?), so they'd have make the game more 'conventional'...then we'd hate it.

Burger · 13th Apr 2005, 03:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psychomorph

As I know Tactical Ops for UT went retail. Don't know about it, never really played TO.
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Yes, keep INF free, so SS can make what ever it want/can. Most of us are aware of that making a game in freetime costs time, but thats the prize for such a great project.

Does anybody have a link to the highest downloadable version of Tac Ops?

Crowze · 13th Apr 2005, 05:39 AM

http://tactical-ops.ngz-network.de/t...t=6&envLang=en

I'll warn you not to install it into the same UT install as Inf, TO does (or used to) do some weird stuff, overwriting packages, changing inis I don't know, which breaks Inf completely.

27th Mar 2005, 11:47 PM	#1
that guy Registered User Join Date: Mar. 27th, 2005 Posts: 2	Cost of going Inf. retail Just to fullfill my curiousity, what would be the costs of going commercial with Inf and the Source engine? I tried to google up licencing costs but most sights said that they were under NDA but estimated around $350K-750K with most around the 500K mark (USD OC). Anyone have any Ideas about this? Not ultradetailed or anything just a rough estimate of dev over say 3.5yrs.

28th Mar 2005, 12:02 AM	#2
geogob Koohii o nomimasu ka? Join Date: Mar. 11th, 2000 Location: replication{ reliable if( Role==ROLE_Authority ) Tick;} Posts: 4,147	The biggest cost could be content-wize. EDIT: In other words, I don't think it's possible to make a game as good as INF by going retail. This sort of game is more "underground". If you want to go retail with a 500k engine license + dev costs, you have to make sales... to make sales you must make a mainstream game (see BF1942, CS and cie). Hence my comment, the biggest cost of INF going retail would be in the content. Of course the modification could go retail... mm but that pretty close to what they did with 2.9, selling CDs. Only difference is that it would have to be distributed by someone (atari, or what ever) that distributes game to stores. That would be much less expensive than licensing the engine... but selling a modification like that...mmm. Then you could go retail over steam (I guess). But one way or the other, licensing an engine would affect the game content a lot. It has to (unless they want to do a 499k gift to this community. __________________ -- Intelligenti Pauca -- Get RealTargets - INF_Loadlim - INF Mod Team addons Last edited by geogob; 28th Mar 2005 at 12:13 AM.

28th Mar 2005, 07:09 AM	#4
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30th Mar 2005, 09:11 AM	#5
Nukeproof n1 Join Date: Apr. 2nd, 2001 Location: Frankfurt/ Germany Posts: 1,219	Well, "The third Reich" Team just bought a commercial license (some sort of less wellknown engine... forgot the name). I don't think you need wagonloads of money but beeing forced to aim for commercial success might be the biggest sacrifice... like Geo pointed out. __________________

30th Mar 2005, 11:20 PM	#9
Almost Different Join Date: Aug. 15th, 2001 Location: Norway Posts: 1,098	Usually, or at least often, smaller compaines will have to do whatever they are told to do, wheter they like it or not. The gaming industry works much like other industries. The guy with the money calls the shots. If developers are told to "Make it more like Counterstrike" or "Why is this guy moving slower sideways than forward? Fix it.", then that is what developers do. Freedom within the preset frames, yes. But if the million dollar-man tells you to change something, you do. __________________ Official Infiltration IRC Channel : irc.gamesurge.net #infiltration Infiltration 2.9 troubleshooting

28th Mar 2005, 06:44 AM	#3
Vega-don arreté pour detention de tomate prohibée Join Date: Mar. 17th, 2003 Location: Paris suburbs Posts: 1,904	you can sale a realist game, im sure of it, but you need $$$ for promotion

30th Mar 2005, 10:54 AM	#6
(SDS)benmcl Why not visit us here in the real world. Join Date: May. 13th, 2002 Posts: 1,897	The bigger the budget the more water down the product. Just take a look at the movie industry. The bigger the budgets the crappier the movie is. Yes there are exceptions but they just prove the rule.

30th Mar 2005, 06:26 PM	#7
Psychomorph Join Date: Apr. 21st, 2003 Location: Europe Posts: 2,110	Right. As I know Tactical Ops for UT went retail. Don't know about it, never really played TO.

30th Mar 2005, 08:18 PM	#8
that guy Registered User Join Date: Mar. 27th, 2005 Posts: 2	Yeah I play TO 2.0 for quite a while, TO:AOT 3.X sucked big time and the cost for going retail was a crappy game. I think though Inf. would/could avoid this trap as the team is pretty certain on what they want.

31st Mar 2005, 08:27 AM	#10
Psychomorph Join Date: Apr. 21st, 2003 Location: Europe Posts: 2,110	Yes, keep INF free, so SS can make what ever it want/can. Most of us are aware of that making a game in freetime costs time, but thats the prize for such a great project. I just hope SS can pack a huge ammount of personal (modelers, coders, skinner), that would increase the time. Hell I would applicate myself to SS, but my skills are low and I have nothing to present. I'm not a help . My only skill is to present insane ideas and useless suggestions, which I will release in a pdf soon , even if nobody, not SS cares about, lol.

8th Apr 2005, 12:02 AM	#11
asmodeus DB addict Join Date: Mar. 25th, 2001 Posts: 1,609	there are free engines, even some commercial engines http://www.devmaster.net/engines/ this one looks particulary good http://www.garagegames.com/pg/product/view.php?id=1 __________________ Deathball (sports mod for UT2k4) NADBL season 2 rookie of the year Last edited by asmodeus; 8th Apr 2005 at 12:06 AM.

8th Apr 2005, 12:26 AM	#12
geogob Koohii o nomimasu ka? Join Date: Mar. 11th, 2000 Location: replication{ reliable if( Role==ROLE_Authority ) Tick;} Posts: 4,147	torque! __________________ -- Intelligenti Pauca -- Get RealTargets - INF_Loadlim - INF Mod Team addons

8th Apr 2005, 12:40 AM	#13
asmodeus DB addict Join Date: Mar. 25th, 2001 Posts: 1,609	http://realmforge.com/ still alpha tough __________________ Deathball (sports mod for UT2k4) NADBL season 2 rookie of the year

12th Apr 2005, 09:36 PM	#14
mbs357 olol Join Date: Jan. 5th, 2002 Posts: 216	Agreed. To go retail means you need to make a profit. You're not going to make a profit off the entire Inf community as it is (35 people?), so they'd have make the game more 'conventional'...then we'd hate it. __________________ ololol

13th Apr 2005, 05:39 AM	#16
Crowze Bird Brain Join Date: Feb. 6th, 2002 Location: Worcestershire, UK Posts: 3,552	http://tactical-ops.ngz-network.de/t...t=6&envLang=en I'll warn you not to install it into the same UT install as Inf, TO does (or used to) do some weird stuff, overwriting packages, changing inis I don't know, which breaks Inf completely. __________________ Infiltration \| Sentry Studios

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