so everyone has lag?

ron1jed · 27th Feb 2000, 02:20 AM

So does everyone have lag.Even people with cable and dsl?Is it possible to play a game online and have no lag?

Zaccix · 27th Feb 2000, 02:40 AM

Online games will always have lag because it's actually impossible to completely get rid of. No matter how fast the connection, or how good the software/hardware combination, it will be there.

Cable and DSL bring down the lag to the point where it's not so noticable, but it's still there. Someone might ping, for example, 60ms to a server with a fast connection, but that's still a 60ms delay.

Turn it on. Turn it on, turn it on again. - Genesis.

Gouryella · 27th Feb 2000, 03:20 AM

If you create your own server, you will get 0 pings, but you need to have a fast connection and PC if you want to give other people decent pings too!!

[PuF]Evil_Beaver · 27th Feb 2000, 05:46 AM

Yes, everyone has lag online, but the difference between DSL/Cable vs 56k is night and day. I don't fear bad pings anymore with cable, just packet loss. I ocassionally get PL and it can still throw my whole game to hell.

all that I know...
The Unknown Knows

27th Feb 2000, 05:58 AM

Even if you have high pings, it can be worked around with practice. PL on the other hand, cannot be worked around and is garunteed to screw up anyones game.

PuF: Ready to take it up a level, once we've stopped trying to be Godlike...

BloodKnight · 27th Feb 2000, 07:30 AM

And believe or not sometimes cable people like myself get the phonejack. The phonejack most of the time is because of the server, not the client (unless you are an idiot and have 400 ping or above)

But yes people do get lag, and we mean everyone!

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ron1jed · 28th Feb 2000, 01:07 AM

so do you have a delay when firing your even if you have 60 ping and no PL?????

ron1jed · 28th Feb 2000, 01:08 AM

so do you have a delay when firing your gun even if you have 60 ping and no PL?????

BloodKnight · 28th Feb 2000, 06:13 AM

How to put it..yes, but REALLY hard to tell.

The ping is in how many milliseconds for the delay

and a 60 millisecond delay isn't a problem for you or anyone else, right?

So yes, you do actually experiance nearly lagless or even lagless gameplay

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BloodKnight · 28th Feb 2000, 06:15 AM

It also varies from the server, for example I can't go to a UK server cuz I am in Canada and that is a LOOOONG Distance, it also depends on the server

As for the peak times, well for downloads it will affect it, in games, NOPE. In games having a major bandwidth isn't a problem, all you are is sending info back and forth

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*hal* · 28th Feb 2000, 03:46 PM

I play on a cable and have had pretty smooth games on a server in NewZealand (I'm in Eastern US) and also on a server in the UK.

There is a bit of noticeable lag sometimes. Other times it's as smooth as glass. Mostly it depends on the server I connect to.

Yes, I know I'm full of $I-IiT - but I'm Godlike dammit!

hal{PuF}

D66 · 28th Feb 2000, 04:23 PM

Im a cable user and I get the phonejack very often. I know cable is prone to PL but I also think I may have a problem with my NIC or settings. I'll troubleshoot it when I have some time (which means I probably have to bring my PC to work and claim it is a user machine) Lag is always there no matter what. As to good ping to NewZeland from the east coast, well the main culprit to lag is the number of hops you go through, more hops means more servers to have to wait your turn in. If you are connecting to a NewZeland server with reletively few hops then you will have low ping. If you remove all the hops then your data is moving at close to lightspeed and you would hve virtualy no lag at all. This is why direct dial-up 28.8 between two PCs sometimes are faster than an ISDN over the Net. You can usualy expect a minimum of about 4 hops to just get outside your ISP. After that you are cruising ether. One good way to see if your ISP is guilty of your high ping is to go to a DOS window and type this

C:\windows\tracert {URL}
{URL} is any address you want to use as standard. I usualy use

C:\windows\tracert www.yahoo.com

After that you will be givven a listing of each hop you are sent through and a timing of each ping...
It will look like this

* 24 48 24.25.26.00

*=request timed out, These should be a red flag as they will cause PL

The numbers are your ping to that particular server. The last listing will either be an IP or http adress.

If you see high numbers or * in the first few hops then the problem is in your ISP. Get a new one or if you are brave, get on the phone and tell them about it.

High numbers or * in the later listings are on the Internet and beyond you or your ISP's ability to controll, live with it.

I love this command. Last week I spotted a crippled server on RoadRunners network and once I called, they fixed it and my PL at the same time.

--D66 smoked some of Rooster's stuff today.

--D66 has amazed himself with this informative and non spam posting....WOW!!!!

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[This message has been edited by D66 (edited 02-28-2000).]

D66 · 1st Mar 2000, 10:01 PM

Ah hell
*BUMP*

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CHRYSt · 1st Mar 2000, 10:12 PM

Technically, there is a delay between the time you click the mouse and the time that you actually see it fire.
The electric current from the mouse, to the ps2 port, then it has to be processed by the chipset, sent to the CPU, then sent to memory, and processed along with the game, then sent back to the CPU, then to the AGP port, then to the video chip, then the monitor port, and then to the monitor cable, and the electrons have to go from the back of the monitor to the front, and the photons have to get from the monitor to your eyes.

All that takes time.

"Where's the BACTINE?! Some of this blood is MINE!!" -- JTHM

StrangeFish · 1st Mar 2000, 10:21 PM

The difference between lag and packet loss.

Bad lag:
Cripes, I just can't seem to hit a damn thing!

Packet loss:
How'd I wind up in this lava pit?

Looks like a fish. Moves like a fish. Steers like a cow.

Smint · 1st Mar 2000, 10:34 PM

Everyone has lag. Unless you start a server (but people playing on your server have lag)

"I got Mad Skillz."

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27th Feb 2000, 02:20 AM	#1
ron1jed Registered User Join Date: Oct. 2nd, 1999 Posts: 37	So does everyone have lag.Even people with cable and dsl?Is it possible to play a game online and have no lag?

27th Feb 2000, 02:40 AM	#2
Zaccix Truth, by Banksy Join Date: Nov. 10th, 1999 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,369	Online games will always have lag because it's actually impossible to completely get rid of. No matter how fast the connection, or how good the software/hardware combination, it will be there. Cable and DSL bring down the lag to the point where it's not so noticable, but it's still there. Someone might ping, for example, 60ms to a server with a fast connection, but that's still a 60ms delay. Turn it on. Turn it on, turn it on again. - Genesis.

27th Feb 2000, 03:20 AM	#3
Gouryella Registered User Join Date: Feb. 18th, 2000 Location: London Posts: 67	If you create your own server, you will get 0 pings, but you need to have a fast connection and PC if you want to give other people decent pings too!!

27th Feb 2000, 05:46 AM	#4
[PuF]Evil_Beaver Registered User Join Date: Jan. 11th, 2000 Posts: 496	Yes, everyone has lag online, but the difference between DSL/Cable vs 56k is night and day. I don't fear bad pings anymore with cable, just packet loss. I ocassionally get PL and it can still throw my whole game to hell. all that I know... The Unknown Knows

27th Feb 2000, 05:58 AM	#5
Selerox[PuF] Guest Posts: n/a	Even if you have high pings, it can be worked around with practice. PL on the other hand, cannot be worked around and is garunteed to screw up anyones game. PuF: Ready to take it up a level, once we've stopped trying to be Godlike...

27th Feb 2000, 07:30 AM	#6
BloodKnight Registered User Join Date: Nov. 30th, 1999 Location: Canada! Posts: 148	And believe or not sometimes cable people like myself get the phonejack. The phonejack most of the time is because of the server, not the client (unless you are an idiot and have 400 ping or above) But yes people do get lag, and we mean everyone! - BloodKnight bloodknight@somethingawful.com bloodknight@yesic.com bloodknight@ogl.org ICQ - 12368747 UT Clan Universe - http://www.unreality.org/universe OGL UT Admin - http://www.ogl.org Computers is a lot like Air Conditioners, once Windows opens up, your screwed! ngUID: 17391

28th Feb 2000, 01:07 AM	#7
ron1jed Registered User Join Date: Oct. 2nd, 1999 Posts: 37	so do you have a delay when firing your even if you have 60 ping and no PL?????

28th Feb 2000, 01:08 AM	#8
ron1jed Registered User Join Date: Oct. 2nd, 1999 Posts: 37	so do you have a delay when firing your gun even if you have 60 ping and no PL?????

28th Feb 2000, 06:13 AM	#9
BloodKnight Registered User Join Date: Nov. 30th, 1999 Location: Canada! Posts: 148	How to put it..yes, but REALLY hard to tell. The ping is in how many milliseconds for the delay and a 60 millisecond delay isn't a problem for you or anyone else, right? So yes, you do actually experiance nearly lagless or even lagless gameplay - BloodKnight bloodknight@somethingawful.com bloodknight@yesic.com bloodknight@ogl.org ICQ - 12368747 UT Clan Universe - http://www.unreality.org/universe OGL UT Admin - http://www.ogl.org Computers is a lot like Air Conditioners, once Windows opens up, your screwed! ngUID: 17391

28th Feb 2000, 06:15 AM	#10
BloodKnight Registered User Join Date: Nov. 30th, 1999 Location: Canada! Posts: 148	It also varies from the server, for example I can't go to a UK server cuz I am in Canada and that is a LOOOONG Distance, it also depends on the server As for the peak times, well for downloads it will affect it, in games, NOPE. In games having a major bandwidth isn't a problem, all you are is sending info back and forth - BloodKnight bloodknight@somethingawful.com bloodknight@yesic.com bloodknight@ogl.org ICQ - 12368747 UT Clan Universe - http://www.unreality.org/universe OGL UT Admin - http://www.ogl.org Computers is a lot like Air Conditioners, once Windows opens up, your screwed! ngUID: 17391

28th Feb 2000, 03:46 PM	#11
hal Dictator Join Date: Nov. 24th, 1998 Location: -------> Posts: 21,340	I play on a cable and have had pretty smooth games on a server in NewZealand (I'm in Eastern US) and also on a server in the UK. There is a bit of noticeable lag sometimes. Other times it's as smooth as glass. Mostly it depends on the server I connect to. Yes, I know I'm full of $I-IiT - but I'm Godlike dammit! hal{PuF}

28th Feb 2000, 04:23 PM	#12
D66 Grey Pilgrim Join Date: Feb. 2nd, 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 3,003	Im a cable user and I get the phonejack very often. I know cable is prone to PL but I also think I may have a problem with my NIC or settings. I'll troubleshoot it when I have some time (which means I probably have to bring my PC to work and claim it is a user machine) Lag is always there no matter what. As to good ping to NewZeland from the east coast, well the main culprit to lag is the number of hops you go through, more hops means more servers to have to wait your turn in. If you are connecting to a NewZeland server with reletively few hops then you will have low ping. If you remove all the hops then your data is moving at close to lightspeed and you would hve virtualy no lag at all. This is why direct dial-up 28.8 between two PCs sometimes are faster than an ISDN over the Net. You can usualy expect a minimum of about 4 hops to just get outside your ISP. After that you are cruising ether. One good way to see if your ISP is guilty of your high ping is to go to a DOS window and type this C:\windows\tracert {URL} {URL} is any address you want to use as standard. I usualy use C:\windows\tracert www.yahoo.com After that you will be givven a listing of each hop you are sent through and a timing of each ping... It will look like this * 24 48 24.25.26.00 =request timed out, These should be a red flag as they will cause PL The numbers are your ping to that particular server. The last listing will either be an IP or http adress. If you see high numbers or in the first few hops then the problem is in your ISP. Get a new one or if you are brave, get on the phone and tell them about it. High numbers or * in the later listings are on the Internet and beyond you or your ISP's ability to controll, live with it. I love this command. Last week I spotted a crippled server on RoadRunners network and once I called, they fixed it and my PL at the same time. --D66 smoked some of Rooster's stuff today. --D66 has amazed himself with this informative and non spam posting....WOW!!!! ---Prof. Of Comic-Therory/Comedic-History Ronnie Mervus will pay for his crimes!!!! George Lucas, Give us Star Wars DVD! Or I swear I'll kill every ewok there is!!! [This message has been edited by D66 (edited 02-28-2000).]

1st Mar 2000, 10:01 PM	#13
D66 Grey Pilgrim Join Date: Feb. 2nd, 2000 Location: Gondolin Posts: 3,003	Ah hell BUMP ---Prof. Of Comic-Therory/Comedic-History Ronnie Mervus will pay for his crimes!!!! George Lucas, Give us Star Wars DVD! Or I swear I'll kill every ewok there is!!!

1st Mar 2000, 10:12 PM	#14
CHRYSt You can't help that. We're all mad here. Join Date: Jan. 14th, 2000 Posts: 4,851	Technically, there is a delay between the time you click the mouse and the time that you actually see it fire. The electric current from the mouse, to the ps2 port, then it has to be processed by the chipset, sent to the CPU, then sent to memory, and processed along with the game, then sent back to the CPU, then to the AGP port, then to the video chip, then the monitor port, and then to the monitor cable, and the electrons have to go from the back of the monitor to the front, and the photons have to get from the monitor to your eyes. All that takes time. "Where's the BACTINE?! Some of this blood is MINE!!" -- JTHM

1st Mar 2000, 10:21 PM	#15
StrangeFish Registered User Join Date: Feb. 22nd, 2000 Location: Manchester, CT, 06040 Posts: 83	The difference between lag and packet loss. Bad lag: Cripes, I just can't seem to hit a damn thing! Packet loss: How'd I wind up in this lava pit? Looks like a fish. Moves like a fish. Steers like a cow.

1st Mar 2000, 10:34 PM	#16
Smint Registered User Join Date: Nov. 14th, 1999 Location: California Posts: 202	Everyone has lag. Unless you start a server (but people playing on your server have lag) "I got Mad Skillz." <I am AnonSmint in UT if you want to take a beating>