WTF, no more reflections?

Mad Max RW · 2nd Apr 2004, 08:06 PM

For some reason reflections and water don't look right anymore, as if I'm not in D3D mode or something. I've been running everything maxed at 1600x1200 resolution and just today out of the blue this started happening. Everything else (shadows, textures, lighting, etc.) look fine. I haven't installed any new drivers or software or messed with ini files.

Reflections and animated water still work in UT2k3 and other games I have with this technology, so the glitch belongs exclusively to UT2k4. I tried deleting the UT2004.ini file, restarting, and I'm now on the brink of reinstalling. Before I go to such desperate measures is this a common problem and is there a simple fix? Thanks to anyone who can help me out.

Capt.Toilet · 2nd Apr 2004, 08:29 PM

I encountered this as well, but it was in the 2k3 map iron diety. The water on the bottom level doesnt move at all, its just a solid mass. All other water is fine except on that level. Must be a slight booboo when converting the map over.

*Sir_Brizz* · 2nd Apr 2004, 08:31 PM

Do you have a MinFrameRate set in your ini? Defaults to 25, so with everything maxxed out and you drop under that then it turns off details to speed you up.

Mad Max RW · 2nd Apr 2004, 08:40 PM

The minimum desired framerate defaulted to 35. So far every map in UT2k4 I've checked no longer has good looking water. This is starting to piss me off and I'm probably gonna end up reinstalling.

*Sir_Brizz* · 2nd Apr 2004, 08:46 PM

turn your details down and see if it still does it, for petes sakes.

Mad Max RW · 2nd Apr 2004, 08:52 PM

No difference.

*Sir_Brizz* · 2nd Apr 2004, 08:54 PM

weird. K maybe you should reinstall then

what the f kind of video card do you have to run the game at 1600x1200 at highest settings???

Mad Max RW · 2nd Apr 2004, 09:32 PM

Well, I went through every single map with any water in it. Iron Deity is the worst with what appears to be a sheet of plastic instead of water that reacts to stuff. The other is Antalus. There could be more but I can't remember. I think it may be the same problem as Cpt.Toilet.exe. Something was lost in the 2k3>2k4 translation.

All the Onslaught, Assault, CTF, and whatever maps with water are perfectly fine.

It just occured to me that I never played the 2k3 DM maps in 2k4 until today. A complete reinstall would have most likely been a waste of time. At least I was worrying about nothing. Hopefully an official patch will fix it, because I did a million crazy things with no luck.

Daedalus · 2nd Apr 2004, 09:37 PM

still didnt really answer the question Brizz asked. What are you running that would allow you to run 2k4 at 1600x1200 maxed out with minimal FPS drops?

Mad Max RW · 2nd Apr 2004, 09:55 PM

Oh, sorry. I got a GeforceFX 5700 Ultra on a 3.0ghz P4, WinME, 512MB RAM and getting another 512MB in a few days. I'm pretty amazed at how well the game runs with everything maxed. And at any lower resolution I don't see a change in performance. The only time it starts to chug is in that awesome Blade Runner map for 2k3. But after a minute of loading everything it runs nicely. In my old Geforce 3 none of this was possible. After upgrading last November I was actually afraid of ratcheting up settings or resolution from 1024x768.

With everything maxed UT2k4 runs better than anything I played before. I think it's a combination of a carefully built and maintained computer and an ultra optimized game with the latter getting most of the credit. In Far Cry I won't bother with a resolution higher than 1024x768, and only one or two settings are maxed.

*Sir_Brizz* · 3rd Apr 2004, 10:12 AM

??

I have:

Pentium4 3.0Eghz (@ 3.6ghz)
1024mb PC2700 Dual Channel DDR
Radeon 9800Pro
Windows XP Pro

And I can't even run at those details. I don't see how it's possible you are getting more than 12fps on any map.

Doctor7 · 3rd Apr 2004, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir_Brizz

??

I have:

Pentium4 3.0Eghz (@ 3.6ghz)
1024mb PC2700 Dual Channel DDR
Radeon 9800Pro
Windows XP Pro

And I can't even run at those details. I don't see how it's possible you are getting more than 12fps on any map.

What do people do to their systems? I can run at 1024x768, all details maxed, with reasonable framerates, on a P4 1.6 Northwood (@1.92) and a TI4400, so I would certainly expect a 3.0 and a later card to run fine at 1600x1200.

Loibisch · 3rd Apr 2004, 10:37 AM

It always depends on what you think is "enough frames". Some people will play at an awful choppy average of 30fps (remember kids, average of 30 means that a good deal of the time you have LESS than 30)...I can't do that. I'm using 1280x1024 and Medium details right now (60-80fps)...

Oh, and you don't need to reinstall really, just delete your user.ini and ut2004.ini and start the game, all settings will be reset...hope this helps.

*Sir_Brizz* · 3rd Apr 2004, 10:38 AM

also, if you have MinDesiredFramerate set to anything but 0, you're probably losing details. I have it set to 0 and 1024x768 with highest details. Still choppy in Assault...

2nd Apr 2004, 08:06 PM	#1
Mad Max RW Road Warrior Join Date: Nov. 13th, 2003 Posts: 253	WTF, no more reflections? For some reason reflections and water don't look right anymore, as if I'm not in D3D mode or something. I've been running everything maxed at 1600x1200 resolution and just today out of the blue this started happening. Everything else (shadows, textures, lighting, etc.) look fine. I haven't installed any new drivers or software or messed with ini files. Reflections and animated water still work in UT2k3 and other games I have with this technology, so the glitch belongs exclusively to UT2k4. I tried deleting the UT2004.ini file, restarting, and I'm now on the brink of reinstalling. Before I go to such desperate measures is this a common problem and is there a simple fix? Thanks to anyone who can help me out.

2nd Apr 2004, 08:31 PM	#3
Sir_Brizz More Than Just Mad Skill Join Date: Feb. 3rd, 2000 Location: >:3 Posts: 25,271	Do you have a MinFrameRate set in your ini? Defaults to 25, so with everything maxxed out and you drop under that then it turns off details to speed you up. __________________ 64 65 61 74 68 62 6f 6f 67 65 72 73 20 6d 6f 74 68 65 72 20 6f 66 20 63 6f 75 72 73 65 Liandri Archives - A veritable smorgasbord of information about the Unreal series If Titanic taught me anything, it's to never let go until you're a frozen corpse staring hopelessly into a barren horizon.

2nd Apr 2004, 08:46 PM	#5
Sir_Brizz More Than Just Mad Skill Join Date: Feb. 3rd, 2000 Location: >:3 Posts: 25,271	turn your details down and see if it still does it, for petes sakes. __________________ 64 65 61 74 68 62 6f 6f 67 65 72 73 20 6d 6f 74 68 65 72 20 6f 66 20 63 6f 75 72 73 65 Liandri Archives - A veritable smorgasbord of information about the Unreal series If Titanic taught me anything, it's to never let go until you're a frozen corpse staring hopelessly into a barren horizon.

2nd Apr 2004, 08:54 PM	#7
Sir_Brizz More Than Just Mad Skill Join Date: Feb. 3rd, 2000 Location: >:3 Posts: 25,271	weird. K maybe you should reinstall then what the f kind of video card do you have to run the game at 1600x1200 at highest settings??? __________________ 64 65 61 74 68 62 6f 6f 67 65 72 73 20 6d 6f 74 68 65 72 20 6f 66 20 63 6f 75 72 73 65 Liandri Archives - A veritable smorgasbord of information about the Unreal series If Titanic taught me anything, it's to never let go until you're a frozen corpse staring hopelessly into a barren horizon.

2nd Apr 2004, 09:37 PM	#9
Daedalus I don't even... Join Date: May. 24th, 2001 Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 4,261	still didnt really answer the question Brizz asked. What are you running that would allow you to run 2k4 at 1600x1200 maxed out with minimal FPS drops? __________________ ... ____

2nd Apr 2004, 08:40 PM	#4
Mad Max RW Road Warrior Join Date: Nov. 13th, 2003 Posts: 253	The minimum desired framerate defaulted to 35. So far every map in UT2k4 I've checked no longer has good looking water. This is starting to piss me off and I'm probably gonna end up reinstalling.

2nd Apr 2004, 08:52 PM	#6
Mad Max RW Road Warrior Join Date: Nov. 13th, 2003 Posts: 253	No difference.

2nd Apr 2004, 09:32 PM	#8
Mad Max RW Road Warrior Join Date: Nov. 13th, 2003 Posts: 253	Well, I went through every single map with any water in it. Iron Deity is the worst with what appears to be a sheet of plastic instead of water that reacts to stuff. The other is Antalus. There could be more but I can't remember. I think it may be the same problem as Cpt.Toilet.exe. Something was lost in the 2k3>2k4 translation. All the Onslaught, Assault, CTF, and whatever maps with water are perfectly fine. It just occured to me that I never played the 2k3 DM maps in 2k4 until today. A complete reinstall would have most likely been a waste of time. At least I was worrying about nothing. Hopefully an official patch will fix it, because I did a million crazy things with no luck.

2nd Apr 2004, 09:55 PM	#10
Mad Max RW Road Warrior Join Date: Nov. 13th, 2003 Posts: 253	Oh, sorry. I got a GeforceFX 5700 Ultra on a 3.0ghz P4, WinME, 512MB RAM and getting another 512MB in a few days. I'm pretty amazed at how well the game runs with everything maxed. And at any lower resolution I don't see a change in performance. The only time it starts to chug is in that awesome Blade Runner map for 2k3. But after a minute of loading everything it runs nicely. In my old Geforce 3 none of this was possible. After upgrading last November I was actually afraid of ratcheting up settings or resolution from 1024x768. With everything maxed UT2k4 runs better than anything I played before. I think it's a combination of a carefully built and maintained computer and an ultra optimized game with the latter getting most of the credit. In Far Cry I won't bother with a resolution higher than 1024x768, and only one or two settings are maxed.

3rd Apr 2004, 10:12 AM	#11
Sir_Brizz More Than Just Mad Skill Join Date: Feb. 3rd, 2000 Location: >:3 Posts: 25,271	?? I have: Pentium4 3.0Eghz (@ 3.6ghz) 1024mb PC2700 Dual Channel DDR Radeon 9800Pro Windows XP Pro And I can't even run at those details. I don't see how it's possible you are getting more than 12fps on any map. __________________ 64 65 61 74 68 62 6f 6f 67 65 72 73 20 6d 6f 74 68 65 72 20 6f 66 20 63 6f 75 72 73 65 Liandri Archives - A veritable smorgasbord of information about the Unreal series If Titanic taught me anything, it's to never let go until you're a frozen corpse staring hopelessly into a barren horizon.

3rd Apr 2004, 10:37 AM	#13
Loibisch The Odd Member Join Date: Jan. 3rd, 2000 Location: Germany Posts: 2,199	It always depends on what you think is "enough frames". Some people will play at an awful choppy average of 30fps (remember kids, average of 30 means that a good deal of the time you have LESS than 30)...I can't do that. I'm using 1280x1024 and Medium details right now (60-80fps)... Oh, and you don't need to reinstall really, just delete your user.ini and ut2004.ini and start the game, all settings will be reset...hope this helps. __________________ [Ci]Loibisch - Site/Forum admin and attacker of clan Carpe Imperium

3rd Apr 2004, 10:38 AM	#14
Sir_Brizz More Than Just Mad Skill Join Date: Feb. 3rd, 2000 Location: >:3 Posts: 25,271	also, if you have MinDesiredFramerate set to anything but 0, you're probably losing details. I have it set to 0 and 1024x768 with highest details. Still choppy in Assault... __________________ 64 65 61 74 68 62 6f 6f 67 65 72 73 20 6d 6f 74 68 65 72 20 6f 66 20 63 6f 75 72 73 65 Liandri Archives - A veritable smorgasbord of information about the Unreal series If Titanic taught me anything, it's to never let go until you're a frozen corpse staring hopelessly into a barren horizon.

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