A ride through Chernobyl - Page 2

fist_mlrs · 30th Mar 2004, 10:58 AM

ukraine isn't all that expensive, you can get a good room with breakfast for maybe 10 or 15 euro in most villages, just be shure to exchange them to the right currencys, as euro or dollars won't get you anywhere over there. if you speak russian you are on the save side, but most people understand at least a bit german or english. thats propably what i like most about it, you hardly met other tourists, and it isn't like in kroatia where just about everybody speaks german, so you won't see anything of the country at all.

w00p · 30th Mar 2004, 02:18 PM

I meant closing them, to prevent things like chernobyl happening, not making things like chernobyl happen.
Especially since I have no intentions to move 100KM to live in a car with the family next to thousands of others, whilst living with the knowledge your house is just standing there, everything you ever had, just standing there...
Creepy!
/me shivers

I think I'll use a key...

Snake13 · 30th Mar 2004, 04:27 PM

Nuclear power is safe if proper safety is observed, its the waste that is the problem

M_O_DJerry · 31st Mar 2004, 01:51 PM

You are not serious about this, aren't you?
If there are so much safety devices necessary, how can this then be safe?

fist_mlrs · 31st Mar 2004, 02:41 PM

nuclear power creates a lot less waster then coal plants. shure the waste is a problem, but it is less a problem then the poluted air caused by coal or oil plants. water power isn't an option in most places and and alternative energys are still far to ineffective to be used as the main supplyment for energy. we have a lot of wind energy plants where i live, and they hardly produce enough energy to supply a small village, not to mention any kind of industry.

Cold Killer · 31st Mar 2004, 06:42 PM

Just took another look at the pictures and I started to see the scope of the area that was effected... amazing. I heard a story about some jerk-offs trying an unauthorized little experiment with the reactor and causing the meltdown, is that true at all?

M_O_DJerry · 31st Mar 2004, 10:30 PM

Yeah, of course, this was authorised by the secret, hidden government that's flying around in black helicopters.

No, honestly, never heard of anything like that.

Cold Killer · 31st Mar 2004, 11:27 PM

What's the popular opinion on the cause, then?

anaemic · 1st Apr 2004, 02:13 AM

age and lack of proper maintanence

SaraP · 3rd Apr 2004, 02:16 PM

Due to their poor design, RBMK-1000 reactors like the one at Chernobyl are dangerously unstable at below 20% output. The disaster was triggered by an emergency shutdown drill which took all four reactor cores below that critical value; one became unstable and suffered a full-scale meltdown.

Cold Killer · 3rd Apr 2004, 02:34 PM

Damn, I need to learn more about nuclear reactors... how would it be dangerous to LOWER a reactor's output level?

C.Chan · 4th Apr 2004, 12:34 AM

Quote:

The accident in reactor no. 4 at the Chernobyl nuclear power station took place in the night of 25 to 26 April 1986, during a test. The operating crew planned to test whether the turbines could produce sufficient energy to keep the coolant pumps running in the event of a loss of power until the emergency diesel generator was activated.
In order to prevent the test run of the reactor being interrupted, the safety systems were deliberately switched off. For the test, the reactor had to be powered down to 25 per cent of its capacity. This procedure did not go according to plan: for unknown reasons, the reactor power level fell to less than 1 per cent. The power therefore had to be slowly increased. But 30 seconds after the start of the test, there was a sudden and unexpected power surge. The reactor’s emergency shutdown (which should have halted the chain reaction) failed.

Within fractions of a second, the power level and temperature rose many times over. The reactor went out of control. There was a violent explosion. The 1000-tonne sealing cap on the reactor building was blown off. At temperatures of over 2000°C, the fuel rods melted. The graphite covering of the reactor then ignited. In the ensuing inferno, the radioactive fission products released during the core meltdown were sucked up into the atmosphere.

http://www.chernobyl.info/en/Facts/Accident/Explosion

I find radiological accidents very freaky... Almost demonic, our punishment for going too far or something.

C.Chan · 4th Apr 2004, 12:39 AM

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ne/cherno.html

Cold Killer · 4th Apr 2004, 12:49 AM

I WAS RIGHT! I WAS RIGHT!!!

Freon · 4th Apr 2004, 04:08 AM

right about what?

novak · 4th Apr 2004, 04:37 AM

That lowering the power output level wasn't the cause of the accident, I guess.

Yay.

Cold Killer · 4th Apr 2004, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cold Killer

Just took another look at the pictures and I started to see the scope of the area that was effected... amazing. I heard a story about some jerk-offs trying an unauthorized little experiment with the reactor and causing the meltdown, is that true at all?

Quote:

Originally Posted by M_O_DJerry

Yeah, of course, this was authorised by the secret, hidden government that's flying around in black helicopters.

No, honestly, never heard of anything like that.

I guess everyone just automatically tries to sarcastically demean me, regardless of whether or not I'm right.

ecale3 · 4th Apr 2004, 04:51 PM

do you not see the smilie fool?

Cold Killer · 4th Apr 2004, 05:24 PM

I didn't see one after the sentence where you say you'd never heard of anything like that.

geogob · 4th Apr 2004, 05:35 PM

http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/chernobyl/inf07.htm

I find this site a good source of information on this subject. A good read of this incident is interesting you. You might need some basic knowledge on nuclear physics and on nuclear electricity production to fully understand it, but it's not that bad.

30th Mar 2004, 10:58 AM	#21
fist_mlrs that other guy Join Date: Jan. 4th, 2001 Location: Zittau, Germany Posts: 1,495	ukraine isn't all that expensive, you can get a good room with breakfast for maybe 10 or 15 euro in most villages, just be shure to exchange them to the right currencys, as euro or dollars won't get you anywhere over there. if you speak russian you are on the save side, but most people understand at least a bit german or english. thats propably what i like most about it, you hardly met other tourists, and it isn't like in kroatia where just about everybody speaks german, so you won't see anything of the country at all. __________________ www.sentrystudios.net

30th Mar 2004, 02:18 PM	#22
w00p Windows at its best Join Date: Oct. 22nd, 2001 Location: That dumpster in your backyard. (IE, Belgium) Posts: 842	I meant closing them, to prevent things like chernobyl happening, not making things like chernobyl happen. Especially since I have no intentions to move 100KM to live in a car with the family next to thousands of others, whilst living with the knowledge your house is just standing there, everything you ever had, just standing there... Creepy! /me shivers I think I'll use a key... __________________ In UT, 5 headshots in a row is called a "Monsterkill", in Q3 its "Excellent", in CS its "kicked by console"

30th Mar 2004, 04:27 PM	#23
Snake13 Sniper Join Date: Aug. 5th, 2000 Location: MA, USA Posts: 1,658	Nuclear power is safe if proper safety is observed, its the waste that is the problem __________________ "To be prepared for war is the most effectual means of preserving peace." -George Washington

31st Mar 2004, 02:41 PM	#25
fist_mlrs that other guy Join Date: Jan. 4th, 2001 Location: Zittau, Germany Posts: 1,495	nuclear power creates a lot less waster then coal plants. shure the waste is a problem, but it is less a problem then the poluted air caused by coal or oil plants. water power isn't an option in most places and and alternative energys are still far to ineffective to be used as the main supplyment for energy. we have a lot of wind energy plants where i live, and they hardly produce enough energy to supply a small village, not to mention any kind of industry. __________________ www.sentrystudios.net

3rd Apr 2004, 02:16 PM	#30
SaraP Registered User Join Date: Feb. 12th, 2002 Location: The Land of the Governator Posts: 935	Due to their poor design, RBMK-1000 reactors like the one at Chernobyl are dangerously unstable at below 20% output. The disaster was triggered by an emergency shutdown drill which took all four reactor cores below that critical value; one became unstable and suffered a full-scale meltdown. __________________ "The larger number of rounds carried inside the M9 and replacement magazines means that the soldier can stay in the fight longer before having to perfect his/her pistol throwing skills." - USGI M1911/M1911A1 Service Pistols: M1911 vs. M9 , author unspecified "A woman in Milton Township, Michigan, discovered a Glock .40-caliber pistol in her kitchen. She put it in the oven. That night, the family decided to cook a pizza and preheated the oven. There was a round in the chamber, and the intense heat caused the weapon to discharge, killing a male infant who was sleeping about 25 feet away in the living room." - The Major Cause of Gun Accidents -- People's Own Stupidity by Brian Carnell

31st Mar 2004, 01:51 PM	#24
M_O_DJerry Registered User Join Date: Sep. 21st, 2002 Location: Kassel, Germany Posts: 59	You are not serious about this, aren't you? If there are so much safety devices necessary, how can this then be safe?

31st Mar 2004, 06:42 PM	#26
Cold Killer I will Kill Bill Join Date: Feb. 24th, 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,178	Just took another look at the pictures and I started to see the scope of the area that was effected... amazing. I heard a story about some jerk-offs trying an unauthorized little experiment with the reactor and causing the meltdown, is that true at all?

31st Mar 2004, 10:30 PM	#27
M_O_DJerry Registered User Join Date: Sep. 21st, 2002 Location: Kassel, Germany Posts: 59	Yeah, of course, this was authorised by the secret, hidden government that's flying around in black helicopters. No, honestly, never heard of anything like that.

31st Mar 2004, 11:27 PM	#28
Cold Killer I will Kill Bill Join Date: Feb. 24th, 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,178	What's the popular opinion on the cause, then?

1st Apr 2004, 02:13 AM	#29
anaemic she touch your penis? Join Date: Jan. 7th, 2002 Location: london, uk Posts: 3,156	age and lack of proper maintanence

3rd Apr 2004, 02:34 PM	#31
Cold Killer I will Kill Bill Join Date: Feb. 24th, 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,178	Damn, I need to learn more about nuclear reactors... how would it be dangerous to LOWER a reactor's output level?

4th Apr 2004, 12:39 AM	#33
C.Chan Cracka Plz Join Date: Sep. 25th, 2001 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 752	http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ne/cherno.html __________________

4th Apr 2004, 12:49 AM	#34
Cold Killer I will Kill Bill Join Date: Feb. 24th, 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,178	I WAS RIGHT! I WAS RIGHT!!!

4th Apr 2004, 04:08 AM	#35
Freon Braaaaiinss... Join Date: Jan. 27th, 2002 Location: France Posts: 4,550	right about what? __________________ "I don't have a **ing clue why I'm wasting precious brain cells arguing with a man who names himself after the fluid that runs behind my fridge." - BadMojo Infiltration - Vega clan - dichlorodifluoromethane **

4th Apr 2004, 04:37 AM	#36
novak Join Date: Oct. 22nd, 2003 Posts: 1,541	That lowering the power output level wasn't the cause of the accident, I guess. Yay. __________________ [snip]

4th Apr 2004, 04:51 PM	#38
ecale3 Sniper - May be harmful to your health. Join Date: Jul. 13th, 2001 Location: Maryland Bitch. Posts: 1,718	do you not see the smilie fool? __________________ The man who said "It is better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all" has obviously done neither.

4th Apr 2004, 05:24 PM	#39
Cold Killer I will Kill Bill Join Date: Feb. 24th, 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,178	I didn't see one after the sentence where you say you'd never heard of anything like that.

4th Apr 2004, 05:35 PM	#40
geogob Koohii o nomimasu ka? Join Date: Mar. 11th, 2000 Location: replication{ reliable if( Role==ROLE_Authority ) Tick;} Posts: 4,147	http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/chernobyl/inf07.htm I find this site a good source of information on this subject. A good read of this incident is interesting you. You might need some basic knowledge on nuclear physics and on nuclear electricity production to fully understand it, but it's not that bad. __________________ -- Intelligenti Pauca -- Get RealTargets - INF_Loadlim - INF Mod Team addons

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