Big piles of poop.

Evil_Cope · 22nd Feb 2002, 02:53 PM

Large maps. not large as in compared to 1on1, not large as in filesize...

large as in takes more than 7 people easily. 32players+ even.

we all know that most are poop. just look at the badkarma star wars pack... or rather dont. the lighting is criminal.

but... are large maps necessarily bad? i mean, is it possible for a large map to offer good gameplay, theme, atmosphere, graphics etc?

just so you know, there are such things as team player starts for team deathmatch now, and we can include the other gametypes such as ctf dom and *shudder* Ass.

Rukee · 22nd Feb 2002, 03:09 PM

Of course large maps can be great!!
Just look at DM-Toberus}{ !!

Chrysaor · 22nd Feb 2002, 03:15 PM

Ruk, you're on permanent pimpage mode

No it's not possible in my book. Lavagiant comes close in playability and ProjectX2 comes even closer because of looks as well, but I don't think we'll see a large map that's extremelly possible, at least not on this engine. If CTF were so that you had to carry a flag back to it's home base, as opposed to walking over it, and there were some sort of Flag only radar, it would help out the big maps.

Evil_Cope · 22nd Feb 2002, 03:21 PM

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Originally posted by Rukee
Of course large maps can be great!!
Just look at DM-Toberus}{ !!

2/10

SpiritWalker · 22nd Feb 2002, 03:23 PM

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Originally posted by Rukee
look [/url] at DM-Toberus}{ !!

= sureboT

Mxtrmntr · 22nd Feb 2002, 04:58 PM

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Originally posted by mister_cope
Large maps. not large as in compared to 1on1, not large as in filesize...

large as in takes more than 7 people easily. 32players+ even.

we all know that most are poop. just look at the badkarma star wars pack... or rather dont. the lighting is criminal.

but... are large maps necessarily bad? i mean, is it possible for a large map to offer good gameplay, theme, atmosphere, graphics etc?

just so you know, there are such things as team player starts for team deathmatch now, and we can include the other gametypes such as ctf dom and *shudder* Ass.

Of course it's possible for them to offer good theme, atmosphere and graphics. But it's quite difficult, if not impossible, for those maps to get gameplay that's as good / fun as in a really good 1on1 or "normal" map. One of the best REALLY big maps is certainly CTF-Shadar, but I couldn't think of many others that are as good as that one.

Zarkazm · 22nd Feb 2002, 05:21 PM

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Originally posted by Chrysaor
If CTF were so that you had to carry a flag back to it's home base, as opposed to walking over it

Weapons Factory. Optional.

And Dark Magic plans to implement this feature too. Will, in fact. Plus the option to pick up your own flag at any time. Scoring only possible with both maps at your flagbase of course.

Chrysaor · 22nd Feb 2002, 05:46 PM

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Originally posted by Zarkazm

Weapons Factory. Optional.

And Dark Magic plans to implement this feature too. Will, in fact. Plus the option to pick up your own flag at any time. Scoring only possible with both maps at your flagbase of course.

Does DarkMagic have plans on making huge ass maps?

Evil_Cope · 22nd Feb 2002, 06:08 PM

only in a good way

seriously though, in darkmagic you need room to spread your wings and fly. etc.

for 1on1 magicy stuff, you want godz really. its just a bit more limited, but they have nice models i guess.

Zarkazm · 22nd Feb 2002, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by Chrysaor
Does DarkMagic have plans on making huge ass maps?

Plans?

You might call it that.

Zarkazm · 22nd Feb 2002, 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mister_cope
for 1on1 magicy stuff, you want godz really. its just a bit more limited, but they have nice models i guess.

I didn't like the flying around each other throwing energy balls impression I got by their movie much. I hope there'll be more.

Chrysaor · 22nd Feb 2002, 08:11 PM

Oh whoops, lemme rephraze that, is Dark magic going to have Huge-Ass maps, not Huge ass-maps. And especially not Maps of Huge ass.

lucifix · 22nd Feb 2002, 08:15 PM

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Originally posted by Chrysaor
Oh whoops, lemme rephraze that, is Dark magic going to have Huge-Ass maps, not Huge ass-maps. And especially not Maps of Huge ass.

/me imagines getting fragged on a Huge-Ass..

hm...sounds nice!

jreister · 22nd Feb 2002, 08:20 PM

If they are like the Chaos UT maps

cough!me rejects to be respawned,cough

QUALTHWAR · 22nd Feb 2002, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mister_cope

but... are large maps necessarily bad?

yes

Quote:

Originally posted by mister_cope

i mean, is it possible for a large map to offer good gameplay, theme, atmosphere, graphics etc?

no

Rabid Wolf · 23rd Feb 2002, 01:04 AM

tell me more about these team spawnpoints. do they work in dom? if so, where can I get them?

Eyuva 'S' NRG · 23rd Feb 2002, 05:06 AM

I enjoy 16+ player free for alls, unfortunately most large maps have ass backwards layouts where the map designer was thinking of building an actual place, instead of a grand gameplay arena.

Best UT map for this is DM-Tempest 100%. Nobody has yet to design something as remotely good for FFA as DM-Tempest.

Just play any of those ultra gay maps on the Cave of the Pheonix server to see what I mean. That server could be great if the admin would get over his incredibly sucky taste in maps.

fragswill · 23rd Feb 2002, 06:04 AM

Depends on three things: Do you intend it to be playable on anything else than your own machine, do you intend it to be played online and do you have the time/patience to make it good enough? Not counting the above, yes it is possible.

@kuma · 23rd Feb 2002, 06:59 AM

large maps can work, but you have to make them either tight corridor fests or ultrasimple like lavagiant. And 32 players on one map is not going to work with UT.

tempest is probably as big as it should go IMO but then I never did like 16 player+ FFA's

Zarkazm · 23rd Feb 2002, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Chrysaor
Oh whoops, lemme rephraze that, is Dark magic going to have Huge-Ass maps, not Huge ass-maps. And especially not Maps of Huge ass.

Well, there's CTF-Stoneforts, although Bot_40 insists it sucks. You should see the basic terrains for Stoneforts][ or Wasteland

And I trust most of you'll have to buy a new pc soon anyway to run Unreal2. Pentium3 is stoneage

As for the big maps, the trick is to have a simple terrain and a complex insides part. Localized details and sight obstacles so you'll not see too much of anything at any time.

The problem with Dark Magic is: you can fly, so if you fly high enough, you get to see the whole map... the outside part at least. A feat for Rukee's rig

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22nd Feb 2002, 02:53 PM	#1
Evil_Cope For the Win, motherfather! Join Date: Aug. 24th, 2001 Posts: 2,078	Big piles of poop. Large maps. not large as in compared to 1on1, not large as in filesize... large as in takes more than 7 people easily. 32players+ even. we all know that most are poop. just look at the badkarma star wars pack... or rather dont. the lighting is criminal. but... are large maps necessarily bad? i mean, is it possible for a large map to offer good gameplay, theme, atmosphere, graphics etc? just so you know, there are such things as team player starts for team deathmatch now, and we can include the other gametypes such as ctf dom and shudder Ass. __________________

22nd Feb 2002, 03:09 PM	#2
Rukee Coffee overclocks the overclocker!! Join Date: May. 15th, 2001 Location: Over here!!! Posts: 6,639	Of course large maps can be great!! Just look at DM-Toberus}{ !! __________________ "This is your life, good to the last drop. It doesn`t get any better then this, and it`s ending ~one minute at a time." "Take care of your body, where else are you going to live" My car ownz you!! Restoration pictures password is 'GTO'

22nd Feb 2002, 03:15 PM	#3
Chrysaor Lord of the Pants Join Date: Nov. 3rd, 2001 Location: Hiding in your Attic Posts: 3,019	Ruk, you're on permanent pimpage mode No it's not possible in my book. Lavagiant comes close in playability and ProjectX2 comes even closer because of looks as well, but I don't think we'll see a large map that's extremelly possible, at least not on this engine. If CTF were so that you had to carry a flag back to it's home base, as opposed to walking over it, and there were some sort of Flag only radar, it would help out the big maps. __________________ "Even the title of this thread is not consistent with its content." -ViSion

22nd Feb 2002, 06:08 PM	#9
Evil_Cope For the Win, motherfather! Join Date: Aug. 24th, 2001 Posts: 2,078	only in a good way seriously though, in darkmagic you need room to spread your wings and fly. etc. for 1on1 magicy stuff, you want godz really. its just a bit more limited, but they have nice models i guess. __________________

22nd Feb 2002, 08:11 PM	#12
Chrysaor Lord of the Pants Join Date: Nov. 3rd, 2001 Location: Hiding in your Attic Posts: 3,019	Oh whoops, lemme rephraze that, is Dark magic going to have Huge-Ass maps, not Huge ass-maps. And especially not Maps of Huge ass. __________________ "Even the title of this thread is not consistent with its content." -ViSion

22nd Feb 2002, 08:20 PM	#14
jreister heretic Join Date: Jan. 14th, 2000 Location: nirvana Posts: 256	If they are like the Chaos UT maps cough!me rejects to be respawned,cough __________________ jp

23rd Feb 2002, 01:04 AM	#16
Rabid Wolf Piano Man Ghost Join Date: Oct. 26th, 2001 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 713	tell me more about these team spawnpoints. do they work in dom? if so, where can I get them?

23rd Feb 2002, 05:06 AM	#17
Eyuva 'S' NRG dont mess with the toilet monster Join Date: Apr. 27th, 2000 Location: Toilet Posts: 330	I enjoy 16+ player free for alls, unfortunately most large maps have ass backwards layouts where the map designer was thinking of building an actual place, instead of a grand gameplay arena. Best UT map for this is DM-Tempest 100%. Nobody has yet to design something as remotely good for FFA as DM-Tempest. Just play any of those ultra gay maps on the Cave of the Pheonix server to see what I mean. That server could be great if the admin would get over his incredibly sucky taste in maps. __________________ The Founding Fathers worked tirelessly to end slavery - Michele Bachmann I would not have voted for the 1964 civil rights act - Rand Paul

23rd Feb 2002, 06:04 AM	#18
fragswill Charismatic Leader Join Date: Mar. 21st, 2000 Location: Sweden Posts: 446	Depends on three things: Do you intend it to be playable on anything else than your own machine, do you intend it to be played online and do you have the time/patience to make it good enough? Not counting the above, yes it is possible.

23rd Feb 2002, 06:59 AM	#19
@kuma Alienator Join Date: Mar. 5th, 2000 Posts: 920	large maps can work, but you have to make them either tight corridor fests or ultrasimple like lavagiant. And 32 players on one map is not going to work with UT. tempest is probably as big as it should go IMO but then I never did like 16 player+ FFA's

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