Judge orders MS to reveal code

BlAcK_PlAgUe22 · 16th Feb 2002, 09:35 PM

Ouch.

Quote:

WASHINGTON--A federal judge late Friday told Microsoft it must disclose portions of the Windows source code, including XP and XP embedded, to nine litigating states and the District of Columbia.

IMO i think its a bunch of bullcrap that MS has to do that.

Raven|BuF · 16th Feb 2002, 10:09 PM

why do they have to do that

Prophetus · 16th Feb 2002, 10:12 PM

I assume, it's so the States can see if there is ay evidence that MS is locking out competitors...via their coding.

Prophetus · 16th Feb 2002, 10:15 PM

I did notice the judge ordered the source to be revealed to the States, not competitors. I guess MS, or rather their attorneys are trying to equate "States" with "Competitors". But I do understand their anxiety over this order.

Witty · 16th Feb 2002, 10:16 PM

y the fudge???
MS shouldn't have to do that... there's no reason!!!!

Raven|BuF · 16th Feb 2002, 10:19 PM

ah right i understand that, i can see were the states are coming from with that, but people still buy OS's like Linux and Unix so microsoft cant be doing that much to block out other companies. So i cant see the point with it really

LordKhaine · 16th Feb 2002, 10:22 PM

lol, this is the US legal system we're talking about here. If they can try and split up a company, or challenge a government directly via a court case, why cant they do this?

Prophetus · 16th Feb 2002, 10:29 PM

LK...all I have to say is... British Telecom. Give me the U.S. Court system any day

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BlAcK_PlAgUe22 · 16th Feb 2002, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prophetus
LK...all I have to say is... British Telecom. Give me the U.S. Court system any day.

LordKhaine · 16th Feb 2002, 10:31 PM

hahahahaha

No Soup For You · 16th Feb 2002, 10:32 PM

MS has been claiming that they can't separate the browser from their operating system - are the State Attorneys General supposed to take their word for it?!?!? Didn't you read about the rigged court demonstrations that MS put together ?

LK - what are you talking about?

LordKhaine · 16th Feb 2002, 10:34 PM

I'm saying the US legal system is screwed, but then which legal systems aren't?

No Soup For You · 16th Feb 2002, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LordKhaine
I'm saying the US legal system is screwed, but then which legal systems aren't?

Agreed.

CHRYSt · 17th Feb 2002, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by No Soup For You
MS has been claiming that they can't separate the browser from their operating system - are the State Attorneys General supposed to take their word for it?!?!? Didn't you read about the rigged court demonstrations that MS put together ?

LK - what are you talking about?

Exactly. Microsoft has claimed that it cannot separate IE from the rest of the OS. The states asked MS to prove it by showing them the source.

I think it's fully justified and fair. Hell, MS reveals it's complete source to "partners" on hugely regulated NDA's for a while buttload of money. I don't see the problem here.

WAnk · 17th Feb 2002, 01:26 AM

man, i reveal myself for free on a regular basis. all this time, i could have been charging people?!?! damn

BlAcK_PlAgUe22 · 17th Feb 2002, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WAnk
man, i reveal myself for free on a regular basis. all this time, i could have been charging people?!?! damn

Damn!

I knew there was a reason i shouldn't have posted this thread.

AriTheDog · 17th Feb 2002, 02:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WAnk
man, i reveal myself for free on a regular basis. all this time, i could have been charging people?!?! damn

i dunno about you guys, but i'd pay.

Selerox · 17th Feb 2002, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Prophetus
LK...all I have to say is... British Telecom. Give me the U.S. Court system any day.

Theres a difference between the legal system and the will of the government. The UK government could do a lot to ease the problems BT causes via the courts. They just choose not to.

But when it comes to legal systems, I'd go with the UK

Syri · 17th Feb 2002, 05:43 AM

I think it's perfectly reasonable to get proof from the source code to prove/disprove microsoft's claims

Lodev · 17th Feb 2002, 12:05 PM

Hey, why do they have to reveal code? Is it because they used Linux network code? Because, Linux as open source forbids any company to SELL linux code, and microsoft is doint that with this network code, and the only prove that microsoft used this linux code is if you look in the source.

It's this that makes then having to show the code, right? I hope so at least, I'd love to see M$ having to stop selling WinXP

16th Feb 2002, 10:12 PM	#3
Prophetus Old Fart Join Date: Dec. 4th, 1999 Location: ...standing behind you... Posts: 3,093	I assume, it's so the States can see if there is ay evidence that MS is locking out competitors...via their coding. __________________ Logic separates us from animals. Reasoning by emotion makes you an idiot.

16th Feb 2002, 10:15 PM	#4
Prophetus Old Fart Join Date: Dec. 4th, 1999 Location: ...standing behind you... Posts: 3,093	I did notice the judge ordered the source to be revealed to the States, not competitors. I guess MS, or rather their attorneys are trying to equate "States" with "Competitors". But I do understand their anxiety over this order. __________________ Logic separates us from animals. Reasoning by emotion makes you an idiot.

16th Feb 2002, 10:16 PM	#5
Witty I hear only yes. Join Date: Aug. 6th, 2001 Location: Provo... somewhere in Utah. Posts: 3,724	y the fudge??? MS shouldn't have to do that... there's no reason!!!! __________________ Tool is back! Hooray!

16th Feb 2002, 10:22 PM	#7
LordKhaine I sing the body electric... Join Date: Dec. 6th, 1999 Location: UK Posts: 5,635	lol, this is the US legal system we're talking about here. If they can try and split up a company, or challenge a government directly via a court case, why cant they do this? __________________ ~LordKhaine~ All your hidden faces, Your seven veils unfold. Give me forbidden places, All your tales untold. Give me ever and always, Ever and always, Body and soul

16th Feb 2002, 10:29 PM	#8
Prophetus Old Fart Join Date: Dec. 4th, 1999 Location: ...standing behind you... Posts: 3,093	LK...all I have to say is... British Telecom. Give me the U.S. Court system any day. __________________ Logic separates us from animals. Reasoning by emotion makes you an idiot.

16th Feb 2002, 10:09 PM	#2
Raven\|BuF WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb. 8th, 2002 Location: UK Posts: 47	why do they have to do that

16th Feb 2002, 10:19 PM	#6
Raven\|BuF WHAT?!? Join Date: Feb. 8th, 2002 Location: UK Posts: 47	ah right i understand that, i can see were the states are coming from with that, but people still buy OS's like Linux and Unix so microsoft cant be doing that much to block out other companies. So i cant see the point with it really

16th Feb 2002, 10:31 PM	#10
LordKhaine I sing the body electric... Join Date: Dec. 6th, 1999 Location: UK Posts: 5,635	hahahahaha __________________ ~LordKhaine~ All your hidden faces, Your seven veils unfold. Give me forbidden places, All your tales untold. Give me ever and always, Ever and always, Body and soul

16th Feb 2002, 10:32 PM	#11
No Soup For You I got your PM right HERE! Join Date: Jun. 26th, 2000 Location: Composing PMs to all the m0s - come back one year! Posts: 905	What!?! MS has been claiming that they can't separate the browser from their operating system - are the State Attorneys General supposed to take their word for it?!?!? Didn't you read about the rigged court demonstrations that MS put together ? LK - what are you talking about?

16th Feb 2002, 10:34 PM	#12
LordKhaine I sing the body electric... Join Date: Dec. 6th, 1999 Location: UK Posts: 5,635	I'm saying the US legal system is screwed, but then which legal systems aren't? __________________ ~LordKhaine~ All your hidden faces, Your seven veils unfold. Give me forbidden places, All your tales untold. Give me ever and always, Ever and always, Body and soul

17th Feb 2002, 01:26 AM	#15
WAnk PH34R TH3 WAnk?? Join Date: Mar. 17th, 2000 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,307	man, i reveal myself for free on a regular basis. all this time, i could have been charging people?!?! damn __________________ ummmm WAnk?? --------------- -=]LoL[=- Indeed, i am much too cool for my own pants...

17th Feb 2002, 05:43 AM	#19
Syri Who are you calling short? Join Date: Aug. 18th, 2000 Location: Nottingham, England Posts: 4,577	I think it's perfectly reasonable to get proof from the source code to prove/disprove microsoft's claims __________________ You wanna be a big cop in a small town? **** off down the model village!

17th Feb 2002, 12:05 PM	#20
Lodev Registered User Join Date: Sep. 3rd, 2000 Location: Belgium Posts: 556	Hey, why do they have to reveal code? Is it because they used Linux network code? Because, Linux as open source forbids any company to SELL linux code, and microsoft is doint that with this network code, and the only prove that microsoft used this linux code is if you look in the source. It's this that makes then having to show the code, right? I hope so at least, I'd love to see M$ having to stop selling WinXP

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