My UpGrade Problem ?

NikonStudios · 14th Feb 2002, 07:48 AM

I'm i need of a new procesor but what is best ?

AMD Ahtlon 1800 XP or Intel Pentium 4 1800 (2000) ?

What is the best for 3D3 Games ? need your help on this !!

i allso in need of a mainbord and rams so coment on that to please.

Thanks Folks !!

Uppity · 14th Feb 2002, 08:11 AM

Hmm, lets see.

I just upgraded my Dad's PC after his Mobo packed up.

Finally decided on:

Athlon XP 1700
(loads cheaper than the P4's and above 1700XP, the AMD prices rise a bit more sharply)

EPoX EP-8KHA+ Mobo
(Not as good as the ABIT KR7A, but cheaper and still had good reviews. Also had integrated sound which I wanted to get by with until we had enough cash for a SB Audigy)

256Mb DDR ram.

Oh and an Abit Siluro 64 Mb GF2 MX-400 gfx card.
(He wanted something mainstream, reliable, cheap and not outdated)

Total cost £350.

I'm not sure where you are, but as I understand it hardware is a lot cheaper in the US - so you'll need to price it up for yourself depending where you are.

I prefer AMD over Intel right now because you get a lot more performance for your money. For AMD Mobo's there's a reasonable review of DDR boards here:

http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.html?i=1578

Happy shopping!

MadWoffen · 14th Feb 2002, 08:39 AM

If you have the skill to do it yourself =>

www.padeg.com

One of the cheapest I know in Belgium.

For technical research: www.tomshardware.com

Go to amd, cheaper and quicker. I only know one backdraw: noisy because of the huge fan needed to cool the processor.

For the mobo, go for something like MSI K7T266Pro2 Raid USB2 or without the Raid USB2 and at least 256 Mb of DDRam.

I've built a full computer for the godchild of my gf last month with the material available @Padeg: a 1800+XP, 256 DDR, GeForce3 and a 19" Philips monitor for +/- 1.730 € (+case, soundcard, etc,...).

LifesBane[4C] · 14th Feb 2002, 08:40 AM

In the slightly changed words of Balmer:

"Athlon Athlon Athlon Athlon Athlon Athlon Athlon Athlon!"

NikonStudios · 14th Feb 2002, 11:34 AM

Mmm ok Athlon will it be

Thanks Guys

Target PC

Ahtlon XP 1800
512 MB DDR
ABIT KT7 Raid
SB Audigy (Allready in the current PC)
GF 3 ti 500 (Allready in the current PC)
And a 40GB at 7200 RPM (curent HD at 5400 RPM)

(Current Prize: 715 €)

MadWoffen · 15th Feb 2002, 03:41 AM

IIRC: If you want to profit the full speed of your HD 7200, you will have to remove your 5400 one. Otherwise, your fastest drive will work at the same speed of the 5400.

Also, look out for your power. Athlon and his fan is a watt consuming processor. Just check you will have enough or change your case also.

P.S.: where are you going to buy it ?

Puncher · 15th Feb 2002, 06:15 AM

You don't necessarily need to remove the drive. However each IDE port can only run at one speed, ex. Ultra-DMA-100 or UDMA-66, etc. If you have an older hard drive it probably can run at most with UDMA-33, which is a bit slower than UDMA-100 (this is only the maximum speed BTW). So it would be better to have the new hard drive on the primary IDE port, and the old hard drive on the second.

peachz · 15th Feb 2002, 06:58 AM

Since I'm making just about the exact same computer as him, what should the ideal power be? 300-350 watts?

MadWoffen · 15th Feb 2002, 07:26 AM

If you want to add some stuff later (CD burner, etc,..) better take a 350W.

peachz · 15th Feb 2002, 11:17 AM

Thanks Woffen.

I'm thinking of a Tyan or Asus dual processor mobo w/ 2 Athlon MP 1.1 ghz. Recommended? (Think of the power... 2.2 ghz.... MUHAHAHAAAA*ahem*)

NikonStudios · 15th Feb 2002, 02:47 PM

ok My CAse Power is 350W so thats not a problem

where i gonna buy my stuff .... in the store where i somtimes work i getting a beter prize than

Maybe ... ok thats wat i hope

Destructo6 · 15th Feb 2002, 09:30 PM

I went with:

Soyo Dragaon Plus MB (on-board sound, Ethernet, 6USB, smart card reader, and a bunch of other crap)
Athlon XP 1700+
512MB DDR
GF3 Ti 200
Maxtor 60Gb HD@ 7200

Seems to be pretty nice, so far.

peachz · 15th Feb 2002, 09:36 PM

Here's some fun comparison specs:

Current system -

PII 300 Mhz
128 MB SDRAM
Voodoo3 2000 PCI
15.4" Philips Moniter (It... burns....)
A3D 8-channel

Projected System -

AMD Athlon 1.7 ghz
512 MB DDR RAM
geFarce3 ti500 Deluxe
17" Moniter (Relief...)

etc, etc.

Have all of the money and account now, just need to wait until I'm 18 to spend it all. Damn parents. Always talking like they've lived 20 years longer than me or something.

Sheesh.

14th Feb 2002, 07:48 AM	#1
NikonStudios Cpt. Lord Nikon Join Date: Aug. 30th, 2001 Location: Belgium Posts: 86	My UpGrade Problem ? I'm i need of a new procesor but what is best ? AMD Ahtlon 1800 XP or Intel Pentium 4 1800 (2000) ? What is the best for 3D3 Games ? need your help on this !! i allso in need of a mainbord and rams so coment on that to please. Thanks Folks !!

14th Feb 2002, 08:11 AM	#2
Uppity Registered User Join Date: Apr. 17th, 2001 Location: NE England (We hang monkeys) Posts: 454	Hmm, lets see. I just upgraded my Dad's PC after his Mobo packed up. Finally decided on: Athlon XP 1700 (loads cheaper than the P4's and above 1700XP, the AMD prices rise a bit more sharply) EPoX EP-8KHA+ Mobo (Not as good as the ABIT KR7A, but cheaper and still had good reviews. Also had integrated sound which I wanted to get by with until we had enough cash for a SB Audigy) 256Mb DDR ram. Oh and an Abit Siluro 64 Mb GF2 MX-400 gfx card. (He wanted something mainstream, reliable, cheap and not outdated) Total cost £350. I'm not sure where you are, but as I understand it hardware is a lot cheaper in the US - so you'll need to price it up for yourself depending where you are. I prefer AMD over Intel right now because you get a lot more performance for your money. For AMD Mobo's there's a reasonable review of DDR boards here: http://www.anandtech.com/mb/showdoc.html?i=1578 Happy shopping! Last edited by Uppity; 14th Feb 2002 at 08:21 AM.

14th Feb 2002, 08:39 AM	#3
MadWoffen Soon! © Join Date: May. 27th, 2001 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,579	If you have the skill to do it yourself => www.padeg.com One of the cheapest I know in Belgium. For technical research: www.tomshardware.com Go to amd, cheaper and quicker. I only know one backdraw: noisy because of the huge fan needed to cool the processor. For the mobo, go for something like MSI K7T266Pro2 Raid USB2 or without the Raid USB2 and at least 256 Mb of DDRam. I've built a full computer for the godchild of my gf last month with the material available @Padeg: a 1800+XP, 256 DDR, GeForce3 and a 19" Philips monitor for +/- 1.730 € (+case, soundcard, etc,...). __________________ Drawing: Teves / Artwork: ElectricSheep Genetically engineered beer drinker! Infiltration addict player: INF Very soon!©

15th Feb 2002, 03:41 AM	#6
MadWoffen Soon! © Join Date: May. 27th, 2001 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,579	IIRC: If you want to profit the full speed of your HD 7200, you will have to remove your 5400 one. Otherwise, your fastest drive will work at the same speed of the 5400. Also, look out for your power. Athlon and his fan is a watt consuming processor. Just check you will have enough or change your case also. P.S.: where are you going to buy it ? __________________ Drawing: Teves / Artwork: ElectricSheep Genetically engineered beer drinker! Infiltration addict player: INF Very soon!©

15th Feb 2002, 06:15 AM	#7
Puncher AFA member Join Date: May. 3rd, 2001 Location: RWTH Aachen, Germany Posts: 629	You don't necessarily need to remove the drive. However each IDE port can only run at one speed, ex. Ultra-DMA-100 or UDMA-66, etc. If you have an older hard drive it probably can run at most with UDMA-33, which is a bit slower than UDMA-100 (this is only the maximum speed BTW). So it would be better to have the new hard drive on the primary IDE port, and the old hard drive on the second. __________________ Infiltration Battle Rifle Club German Armed Forces, 8./NschBtl 310, 1st Platoon, ret. find / -name \yourbase\ -exec chown us:us {} \; "The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they allow disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children now are tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers. Sokrates, Greek philosopher, 470-399 BC

14th Feb 2002, 08:40 AM	#4
LifesBane[4C] Registered User Join Date: Sep. 27th, 1999 Posts: 3,125	In the slightly changed words of Balmer: "Athlon Athlon Athlon Athlon Athlon Athlon Athlon Athlon!"

14th Feb 2002, 11:34 AM	#5
NikonStudios Cpt. Lord Nikon Join Date: Aug. 30th, 2001 Location: Belgium Posts: 86	Mmm ok Athlon will it be Thanks Guys Target PC Ahtlon XP 1800 512 MB DDR ABIT KT7 Raid SB Audigy (Allready in the current PC) GF 3 ti 500 (Allready in the current PC) And a 40GB at 7200 RPM (curent HD at 5400 RPM) (Current Prize: 715 €)

15th Feb 2002, 06:58 AM	#8
peachz BANNED Join Date: Sep. 7th, 2001 Location: Mmmm... zen.... Posts: 787	Since I'm making just about the exact same computer as him, what should the ideal power be? 300-350 watts?

15th Feb 2002, 07:26 AM	#9
MadWoffen Soon! © Join Date: May. 27th, 2001 Location: Belgium Posts: 2,579	If you want to add some stuff later (CD burner, etc,..) better take a 350W. __________________ Drawing: Teves / Artwork: ElectricSheep Genetically engineered beer drinker! Infiltration addict player: INF Very soon!©

15th Feb 2002, 11:17 AM	#10
peachz BANNED Join Date: Sep. 7th, 2001 Location: Mmmm... zen.... Posts: 787	Thanks Woffen. I'm thinking of a Tyan or Asus dual processor mobo w/ 2 Athlon MP 1.1 ghz. Recommended? (Think of the power... 2.2 ghz.... MUHAHAHAAAAahem)

15th Feb 2002, 02:47 PM	#11
NikonStudios Cpt. Lord Nikon Join Date: Aug. 30th, 2001 Location: Belgium Posts: 86	ok My CAse Power is 350W so thats not a problem where i gonna buy my stuff .... in the store where i somtimes work i getting a beter prize than Maybe ... ok thats wat i hope

15th Feb 2002, 09:30 PM	#12
Destructo6 8404 Join Date: Jan. 11th, 2002 Posts: 217	I went with: Soyo Dragaon Plus MB (on-board sound, Ethernet, 6USB, smart card reader, and a bunch of other crap) Athlon XP 1700+ 512MB DDR GF3 Ti 200 Maxtor 60Gb HD@ 7200 Seems to be pretty nice, so far.

15th Feb 2002, 09:36 PM	#13
peachz BANNED Join Date: Sep. 7th, 2001 Location: Mmmm... zen.... Posts: 787	Here's some fun comparison specs: Current system - PII 300 Mhz 128 MB SDRAM Voodoo3 2000 PCI 15.4" Philips Moniter (It... burns....) A3D 8-channel Projected System - AMD Athlon 1.7 ghz 512 MB DDR RAM geFarce3 ti500 Deluxe 17" Moniter (Relief...) etc, etc. Have all of the money and account now, just need to wait until I'm 18 to spend it all. Damn parents. Always talking like they've lived 20 years longer than me or something. Sheesh.

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