Terrain Editor or Tesselation for outdoor areas?

Eyuva 'S' NRG · 8th Feb 2002, 11:14 AM

Just curious, might make another map. With an outdoor area.

Wiz · 8th Feb 2002, 11:21 AM

I personally prefer using the terrain tool for outdoor land scapes

AMmayhem · 8th Feb 2002, 11:30 AM

If you have questions about how to use the terrain builder, I found that this site was most helpful:

http://www.unrealism.com/unrealedmax/terrain.shtml

Bot_40 · 8th Feb 2002, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Wiz
I personally prefer using the terrain tool for outdoor land scapes

HELL YEAH! That's what I always use. Now I've discovered the beuty of it I'll never even think of terraedit or tess. cubes now

Finally, someone else that uses the terrain brush

Hourences · 8th Feb 2002, 01:58 PM

both

Bot_40 · 8th Feb 2002, 02:00 PM

Oh, and that tut doesn't tell you IMO the most important thing that I've learnt when making terrain, that is to edit the vertecies horizontally aswell as vertically. It gets rid of all those 90 and 45 degree corners that you normally get and also makes the landscape look a hell of a lot smoother and natural.
[rant]
Remember, this is a 3D game, terrain vertecies will move left, right, forward and back. Not just up and down. This is what everyother mapper seems to forget when it comes to terrain. And tess. cubes just plain suck IMO (except for rocks, ledges and other small terrain features)

[/rant]

TheRealFluffy · 10th Feb 2002, 11:47 AM

FuC|< dude! I just saw how to move MULTIPLE vertexes... this will help me a lot!!

Hourences · 10th Feb 2002, 12:54 PM

roflmao

GoldenMouse · 14th Feb 2002, 03:13 PM

I've been using the terrain brush for all my terrains, but....extenuating circumstance. I want to make realistic caverns, like the opening room of AS-Guardia. I hear they used some other program. Was it terraedit or something else?

Bot_40 · 14th Feb 2002, 04:37 PM

It looks Max'd to me. I think terraedit is just for outdoor terrain like the terrain brush. Not sure though
You can always try Tarquins extruder. The new randomiser is quite good, not great, but beats editing 100+ tess. cubes. It's only really good for tunnel-type caves, not large open ones though.
OR you can try the vertex edited sphere. I've never tried it myself, but I know quite a few ppl use that technique

Chrysaor · 14th Feb 2002, 05:21 PM

I've vertexed edited a sphere, it was ****, i wish i hadn't. I mean it looked like rock but it wasn't a pleasurable experience, max woulda worked much better.

here's the new terrain I've got for a new TO map, it's a good example of what Bot's talking about...

Bot_40 · 14th Feb 2002, 05:44 PM

Yeah, that's what I'm talking about

. Post a 3D view screen, then compare it to a terraed (or whatever) terrain brush. It looks much more natural & less angular.

Chrysaor · 14th Feb 2002, 06:01 PM

You don't want me to post a 3d view do you? I couldn't tell if that was rhetorical or not.

Bot_40 · 15th Feb 2002, 05:35 AM

Nah, I'll post one instead

This is with terraed
Notice the 45 and 90 degree corners everywhere. Also, with terred, you can only raise & lower verticies using a grid size 1/4 of the segment size. So if you chose to have 512x512 segments, then you'll only be able to raise/lower the terrain in steps of 128 units, which looks really stupid.
Here, each terrain 'segment' is 128x128 (A bit small) and verticies have been raised/lowered with a grid size of 32.

Bot_40 · 15th Feb 2002, 05:41 AM

Now, with the terrain brush, you can move the verticies around laterally (sp?) to make it looks much smoother.
Also, you have the freedom to chose any grid size. Here, it's still 128x128 segments, but I used a grid size of 16 to edit the terrain.
Note how much smoother it looks. It is a lot higher poly, but now you can make much better looking terrain, you can use a segment size of around twice as big as you would with terraed and it would still look good. Here, if this was a portion of a much larger terrain brush then i'd be using segment size of 256x256 which would give 4 times lower polys than what is shown here.

(normally I'd have segment size of 256 or 512 and use a 64 grid setting to edit it. 32 in some places if it's an emergency.)

StoneViper · 15th Feb 2002, 07:14 AM

well, i've been learning 3dsmax, and will rarely go back to terrain edit button in ued, except for small jobs.

Bot_40 · 15th Feb 2002, 07:34 AM

Bah @ You and yer Max skillz

GoldenMouse · 15th Feb 2002, 11:41 AM

I'm lookin for a cross between tunnels and "rooms". The idea is that the paths between CTF bases are underground, and hopefully will cross in interesting ways.

Call me Erdrik · 15th Feb 2002, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Bot_40
Bah @ You and yer Max skillz

I really don't see the difference between Max and the Terrain brush.... There both just vertex editing...

Chrysaor · 15th Feb 2002, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Call me Erdrik

I really don't see the difference between Max and the Terrain brush.... There both just vertex editing...

I've yet to do it because i don't have max, but UVW mapping shows lots of promise. Screenshots of Rich's Monastery2 look quite good.

8th Feb 2002, 11:14 AM	#1
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8th Feb 2002, 11:21 AM	#2
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8th Feb 2002, 11:30 AM	#3
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8th Feb 2002, 01:58 PM	#5
Hourences Join Date: Aug. 29th, 2000 Location: Belgium/Holland/Sweden Posts: 5,054	both __________________

8th Feb 2002, 02:00 PM	#6
Bot_40 Go in drains Join Date: Nov. 3rd, 2001 Location: York, UK Posts: 2,911	Oh, and that tut doesn't tell you IMO the most important thing that I've learnt when making terrain, that is to edit the vertecies horizontally aswell as vertically. It gets rid of all those 90 and 45 degree corners that you normally get and also makes the landscape look a hell of a lot smoother and natural. [rant] Remember, this is a 3D game, terrain vertecies will move left, right, forward and back. Not just up and down. This is what everyother mapper seems to forget when it comes to terrain. And tess. cubes just plain suck IMO (except for rocks, ledges and other small terrain features) [/rant] __________________ New Website "Purple Ants's national animal is the giant hourences and its currency is the zlal."

10th Feb 2002, 11:47 AM	#7
TheRealFluffy Retired Attention Whore Join Date: Nov. 3rd, 2001 Location: St. Amandsberg (Ghent), Belgium Posts: 269	FuC\|< dude! I just saw how to move MULTIPLE vertexes... this will help me a lot!! __________________ Want a piece of my Fluffy ass? Hey, if you don't like it, go to Russia! Eat fluf and DIE!! http://www.fluffymapping.tk

10th Feb 2002, 12:54 PM	#8
Hourences Join Date: Aug. 29th, 2000 Location: Belgium/Holland/Sweden Posts: 5,054	roflmao __________________

14th Feb 2002, 03:13 PM	#9
GoldenMouse Mad Hatter Join Date: Nov. 14th, 2001 Location: Backwoods Ohio Posts: 2,011	I've been using the terrain brush for all my terrains, but....extenuating circumstance. I want to make realistic caverns, like the opening room of AS-Guardia. I hear they used some other program. Was it terraedit or something else?

14th Feb 2002, 04:37 PM	#10
Bot_40 Go in drains Join Date: Nov. 3rd, 2001 Location: York, UK Posts: 2,911	It looks Max'd to me. I think terraedit is just for outdoor terrain like the terrain brush. Not sure though You can always try Tarquins extruder. The new randomiser is quite good, not great, but beats editing 100+ tess. cubes. It's only really good for tunnel-type caves, not large open ones though. OR you can try the vertex edited sphere. I've never tried it myself, but I know quite a few ppl use that technique __________________ New Website "Purple Ants's national animal is the giant hourences and its currency is the zlal."

14th Feb 2002, 05:21 PM	#11
Chrysaor Lord of the Pants Join Date: Nov. 3rd, 2001 Location: Hiding in your Attic Posts: 3,019	I've vertexed edited a sphere, it was ****, i wish i hadn't. I mean it looked like rock but it wasn't a pleasurable experience, max woulda worked much better. here's the new terrain I've got for a new TO map, it's a good example of what Bot's talking about... __________________ "Even the title of this thread is not consistent with its content." -ViSion

14th Feb 2002, 05:44 PM	#12
Bot_40 Go in drains Join Date: Nov. 3rd, 2001 Location: York, UK Posts: 2,911	Yeah, that's what I'm talking about . Post a 3D view screen, then compare it to a terraed (or whatever) terrain brush. It looks much more natural & less angular. __________________ New Website "Purple Ants's national animal is the giant hourences and its currency is the zlal."

14th Feb 2002, 06:01 PM	#13
Chrysaor Lord of the Pants Join Date: Nov. 3rd, 2001 Location: Hiding in your Attic Posts: 3,019	You don't want me to post a 3d view do you? I couldn't tell if that was rhetorical or not. __________________ "Even the title of this thread is not consistent with its content." -ViSion

15th Feb 2002, 05:35 AM	#14
Bot_40 Go in drains Join Date: Nov. 3rd, 2001 Location: York, UK Posts: 2,911	Nah, I'll post one instead This is with terraed Notice the 45 and 90 degree corners everywhere. Also, with terred, you can only raise & lower verticies using a grid size 1/4 of the segment size. So if you chose to have 512x512 segments, then you'll only be able to raise/lower the terrain in steps of 128 units, which looks really stupid. Here, each terrain 'segment' is 128x128 (A bit small) and verticies have been raised/lowered with a grid size of 32. __________________ New Website "Purple Ants's national animal is the giant hourences and its currency is the zlal."

15th Feb 2002, 05:41 AM	#15
Bot_40 Go in drains Join Date: Nov. 3rd, 2001 Location: York, UK Posts: 2,911	Now, with the terrain brush, you can move the verticies around laterally (sp?) to make it looks much smoother. Also, you have the freedom to chose any grid size. Here, it's still 128x128 segments, but I used a grid size of 16 to edit the terrain. Note how much smoother it looks. It is a lot higher poly, but now you can make much better looking terrain, you can use a segment size of around twice as big as you would with terraed and it would still look good. Here, if this was a portion of a much larger terrain brush then i'd be using segment size of 256x256 which would give 4 times lower polys than what is shown here. (normally I'd have segment size of 256 or 512 and use a 64 grid setting to edit it. 32 in some places if it's an emergency.) __________________ New Website "Purple Ants's national animal is the giant hourences and its currency is the zlal."

15th Feb 2002, 07:14 AM	#16
StoneViper you can call me Mike Join Date: Nov. 3rd, 2001 Location: N43° 03' 16" :::: W77° 36' 03" Posts: 1,907	well, i've been learning 3dsmax, and will rarely go back to terrain edit button in ued, except for small jobs. __________________

15th Feb 2002, 07:34 AM	#17
Bot_40 Go in drains Join Date: Nov. 3rd, 2001 Location: York, UK Posts: 2,911	Bah @ You and yer Max skillz __________________ New Website "Purple Ants's national animal is the giant hourences and its currency is the zlal."

15th Feb 2002, 11:41 AM	#18
GoldenMouse Mad Hatter Join Date: Nov. 14th, 2001 Location: Backwoods Ohio Posts: 2,011	I'm lookin for a cross between tunnels and "rooms". The idea is that the paths between CTF bases are underground, and hopefully will cross in interesting ways.

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