are doors in ut a bad thing?

summonermw2 · 28th Jan 2002, 02:04 PM

I know that this has probably been discussed before but I have noticed that there is a disturbing lack of doors in UT. so the question is do you think that doors would be a bad thing or what?

|PoT|FaRmErX · 28th Jan 2002, 02:39 PM

are'nt ALL doors bad ??

CrazyCougar · 28th Jan 2002, 03:17 PM

Doors and some portals can really be a pain. I always seem to get stuck in the portal on Hyperblast. Usually it's a lag issue but sometimes they just refuse to let you go.

Doors have the same problem. Zeto has lots of doors that can leave you stuck in a certain section due to lag. Ever tried to go through a door while loading rockets? Sometimes the door doesn't open when you want it to.

Same thing could be said for lifts... the bots don't like them either..

Mxtrmntr · 28th Jan 2002, 04:02 PM

Doors are bad for the map's flow in standard game modes imo, especially in DM. They are alright for realism mods tho, they are much slower and doors are much more interesting there, you need tactics, their sound can tell you where the enemy is etc. SFTDM-House (SFTDM = Strike Force Team DM) comes to my mind here, if you'll ever get around to play it (especially in a clan war) you'll notice how important the doors are in this map; it would be totally different without them.

Zenda · 28th Jan 2002, 10:20 PM

I'm at ease with doors.

They are used to good effect in Ice Statio Zeto. And also in Elsinore.

To be sure, I need them to be wide enough so as not to get stuck on them. and also to be a colour that contrasts with the wall. this enables me to actually see the door. When i am on a map that I do not know well i really appreciate being able to see the doors. rather than fighting on limited turf until some bot has the good grace to show me where it is.

Another thing I like about doors is that I can hide behaind them. Also, as wasa the case in Waffnuffly#'s great work 'Attacked', it is good to be able to ruch at the door. It opens. i fire at the enemy and at themoment that they have turned around and are ready to engage in battle. i retreat. The door sloses, and that gives me the respite I need.

summonermw2 · 29th Jan 2002, 12:56 PM

thanks for the replies!

SkaarjMaster · 29th Jan 2002, 04:38 PM

Doors suck, lifts are O.K. The flow of the DM maps is ruined by doors. Lift are fine, as long as good bot pathing or no bots.

Zenda · 29th Jan 2002, 08:49 PM

I'm especially impressed with what MadMonk has done with jump-pads.

He 0wnz them bigtime

TWD · 29th Jan 2002, 09:31 PM

Doors can be very helpful to the gameplay of your map if used properly. First off it serves as a natural choke point which you can hide behind, and creates an interesting situation. The door can close and you'll be in position but they can't see you.

The other important thing about a door, is that it makes a sound. It is the same thing with water, you put water in there so that if they try to escape to the other side of the map, at least you know. However water doesn't really fit into every map, which is why you would use a door.

TAZTG · 30th Jan 2002, 11:27 AM

IMO, doors area good thing, if placed right. CTF-Ortican, Hostility are examples, Lots of good RoA maps use doors which work real well. It makes it harder to get out with the flag and it also makes it easier to get away if the defenders get have to wait for them to open..

pine · 30th Jan 2002, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by CrazyCougar|BuF
Doors have the same problem. Zeto has lots of doors that can leave you stuck in a certain section due to lag. Ever tried to go through a door while loading rockets? Sometimes the door doesn't open when you want it to.

I tend to have ph34rful pings at times, so I don't like doors for this reason. I played a zeroping instagib CTF match with my clan vs. NV one time, when my ping was like 500. On Scandinavium. That sucked.

|PoT|FaRmErX · 30th Jan 2002, 11:40 AM

oOOo those guys are nice dudes, that |NV| clan

i play most of my ctf games with them on their pub server

pine · 30th Jan 2002, 03:04 PM

Yeah, NV is a cool bunch. But do you play instagib?

I thought that was all they played. And they 0wn at it

.

I AM{skullface} · 31st Jan 2002, 02:41 PM

I think doors and lifts are underrated, and should be used more. There are a few good maps that have great lift usage, for example, some 1on1 maps have armor or weapons that can only be reached via lift jumps.

Doors are fine, it's just unfortunate that most doors are so small.

There should be more traps...more sliding floors, more opening ceilings. I think that would be good stuff.

-I_AM{skullface}

DRT-Maverick · 31st Jan 2002, 03:23 PM

So, I should avoid slow moving doors, and make faster moving lifts?

28th Jan 2002, 02:04 PM	#1
summonermw2 Registered User Join Date: May. 4th, 2001 Location: California Posts: 147	are doors in ut a bad thing? I know that this has probably been discussed before but I have noticed that there is a disturbing lack of doors in UT. so the question is do you think that doors would be a bad thing or what?

28th Jan 2002, 02:39 PM	#2
\|PoT\|FaRmErX whatever Join Date: Sep. 3rd, 2001 Location: Armpit of north america, as PCB would say Posts: 343	are'nt ALL doors bad ?? __________________ 07/14/81 ----> 09/13/2002

28th Jan 2002, 03:17 PM	#3
CrazyCougar CATatonic Join Date: Jan. 5th, 2001 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 1,306	Doors and some portals can really be a pain. I always seem to get stuck in the portal on Hyperblast. Usually it's a lag issue but sometimes they just refuse to let you go. Doors have the same problem. Zeto has lots of doors that can leave you stuck in a certain section due to lag. Ever tried to go through a door while loading rockets? Sometimes the door doesn't open when you want it to. Same thing could be said for lifts... the bots don't like them either.. __________________ [Ci]CrazyCougar\|BuF

28th Jan 2002, 10:20 PM	#5
Zenda Turbo Adept+10% Join Date: Jan. 31st, 2001 Location: London Posts: 2,304	I'm at ease with doors. They are used to good effect in Ice Statio Zeto. And also in Elsinore. To be sure, I need them to be wide enough so as not to get stuck on them. and also to be a colour that contrasts with the wall. this enables me to actually see the door. When i am on a map that I do not know well i really appreciate being able to see the doors. rather than fighting on limited turf until some bot has the good grace to show me where it is. Another thing I like about doors is that I can hide behaind them. Also, as wasa the case in Waffnuffly#'s great work 'Attacked', it is good to be able to ruch at the door. It opens. i fire at the enemy and at themoment that they have turned around and are ready to engage in battle. i retreat. The door sloses, and that gives me the respite I need. __________________ Rock Song: PuF Classic: Addicted to PuF

29th Jan 2002, 04:38 PM	#7
SkaarjMaster enemy of time Join Date: Sep. 1st, 2000 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,361	Doors suck, lifts are O.K. The flow of the DM maps is ruined by doors. Lift are fine, as long as good bot pathing or no bots. __________________ Insite Reviews: right here in the web archive

28th Jan 2002, 04:02 PM	#4
Mxtrmntr (Formerly known as Mxtrmntr) Join Date: Nov. 3rd, 2001 Location: The Island of the Day Before Posts: 1,731	Doors are bad for the map's flow in standard game modes imo, especially in DM. They are alright for realism mods tho, they are much slower and doors are much more interesting there, you need tactics, their sound can tell you where the enemy is etc. SFTDM-House (SFTDM = Strike Force Team DM) comes to my mind here, if you'll ever get around to play it (especially in a clan war) you'll notice how important the doors are in this map; it would be totally different without them.

29th Jan 2002, 12:56 PM	#6
summonermw2 Registered User Join Date: May. 4th, 2001 Location: California Posts: 147	thanks for the replies!

29th Jan 2002, 08:49 PM	#8
Zenda Turbo Adept+10% Join Date: Jan. 31st, 2001 Location: London Posts: 2,304	I'm especially impressed with what MadMonk has done with jump-pads. He 0wnz them bigtime __________________ Rock Song: PuF Classic: Addicted to PuF

29th Jan 2002, 09:31 PM	#9
TWD Cute and Cuddly Join Date: Aug. 2nd, 2000 Location: Salt Lake City UT Posts: 7,268	Doors can be very helpful to the gameplay of your map if used properly. First off it serves as a natural choke point which you can hide behind, and creates an interesting situation. The door can close and you'll be in position but they can't see you. The other important thing about a door, is that it makes a sound. It is the same thing with water, you put water in there so that if they try to escape to the other side of the map, at least you know. However water doesn't really fit into every map, which is why you would use a door. __________________

30th Jan 2002, 11:40 AM	#12
\|PoT\|FaRmErX whatever Join Date: Sep. 3rd, 2001 Location: Armpit of north america, as PCB would say Posts: 343	oOOo those guys are nice dudes, that \|NV\| clan i play most of my ctf games with them on their pub server __________________ 07/14/81 ----> 09/13/2002

30th Jan 2002, 03:04 PM	#13
pine Official Photography Thread Appreciator Join Date: Apr. 29th, 2001 Location: IRL Posts: 6,143	Yeah, NV is a cool bunch. But do you play instagib? I thought that was all they played. And they 0wn at it . __________________ One great big festering neon distraction I've a suggestion to keep you all occupied Learn to swim! Clan pdX

31st Jan 2002, 02:41 PM	#14
I AM{skullface} metrosexual Join Date: Oct. 24th, 2000 Location: Boston, Mass Posts: 685	I think doors and lifts are underrated, and should be used more. There are a few good maps that have great lift usage, for example, some 1on1 maps have armor or weapons that can only be reached via lift jumps. Doors are fine, it's just unfortunate that most doors are so small. There should be more traps...more sliding floors, more opening ceilings. I think that would be good stuff. -I_AM{skullface} __________________ http://404.aspiretechnologies.net irc.enterthegame.com #404 "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with terrible resolve." - Admiral Yamamoto

31st Jan 2002, 03:23 PM	#15
DRT-Maverick Lover of Earwigs Join Date: Dec. 4th, 1999 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 3,460	So, I should avoid slow moving doors, and make faster moving lifts? __________________ Sometimes you can't label beauty. It's there for you to interpret how you wish.

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