AMD Athlon or Intel Pentium

WildWing · 25th Jan 2002, 11:51 AM

I'm hearing all this good stuff about AMD newest sysytems will have dual processor support and will be much better than any Intel Pentium class systems... And that Intel won't be making any dual preocessor support systems because the "RAM bus" type of RAM the "Intel P4 montherboard" uses will equate for a dual processor? I'd just like to know what you guys say about this, where do your loyalties lie, who's band waggon are you jumping off of or staying on and why?

CHRYSt · 25th Jan 2002, 11:54 AM

The dual AMD solution is rock stable, and uber fast.

The single AMD solution is rock stable, and uber fast, tho not as uber fast as the dual setup.
The p4 solution is slow and ****ty, unless you get the newest "northwood" procs, with RAMBUS.

Then it competes with AMD's performance. Clock for clock, the Athlon is simply faster.

Hourences · 25th Jan 2002, 11:56 AM

got a brand new cpu now, amd xp 1800+, runs good, i like it, i bought it cause it was much cheaper then the equal fast p4 2.0-2.2 ghz, and this cou is a tiny bit faster then the p4 so amd for me, only bad thing imo is that it gets a bit hot, 55 degree celcius idle here :\ but thats normal for an amd

SludgeX · 25th Jan 2002, 11:57 AM

This thread is gonna be trouble...

My suggestion is, do as much research as possible on the subject and decide for yourself which processor(s) will best suit your needs. Both companies make excellent dual CPU systems, and you can't go wrong using either brand.

The_Inflictor · 25th Jan 2002, 12:02 PM

AMDs are also cheaper

FireSlash · 25th Jan 2002, 12:22 PM

i tend to find AMDs more stable and better OCing chips, but just in my expierence, i have done no research in it. i just like AMD more

25th Jan 2002, 01:57 PM

AMD Sux, Intel Rox.

Serious answer: Intels are a LOT more stable, faster, WAY more OC able(you can clock a 2,2 up to 3,7..), but it comes at a price...
AMD: For people who think that they are 1337 h/-\x0rz...or for people who like cheap, slow(compared to Intel), amazingly unstable at times, heat generating chips....their Duron range is vastly superior to the Intel Celereon range, that i must admit...

SludgeX · 25th Jan 2002, 02:02 PM

Well, any credibility this thread might of had has now officially been shot to pieces...

*Suggestion to WildWing* Please delete this thread at your earliest convience.

Euphoric Beaver · 25th Jan 2002, 02:05 PM

I've heard alot about the AMD raping the Pentium but the tests I've seen don't really confirm this. The results really aren't that big. If your buying it by itself then you should proberly buy the AMD, though watch the temp. But if your getting the full new juicey PC works then either is fine.

25th Jan 2002, 02:07 PM

"Well, any credibility this thread might of had has now officially been shot to pieces."

Credibility? Didnt you see that last LOOONG thread on the AMd vs Intel debate? Me said Intel better AND PROVED IT WITH MANY MANY ****ING BENCHMARKS! Just none of you people were able too accept it and got it closed....

The only valid argument the AMD crowd managed to make was: "If we underclock the P4 down too AMDs level then the Amd would be better" ....

Ciced: In the last thread you seemed to be offended because I called you something based on you being an AOL user and it seemd that you took it seriously, I didnt get time to apologize in that thread before is got closed, it was just a joke...

sorry

Fomhoire · 25th Jan 2002, 02:09 PM

/me laughs hysterically at Sp!ke.

Ok, seriously now Spi!ke.....PUT THE BONG AWAY!

Quote:

Originally posted by "Sp!ke"
AMD Sux, Intel Rox.

Serious answer: Intels are a LOT more stable, faster, WAY more OC able(you can clock a 2,2 up to 3,7..), but it comes at a price...
AMD: For people who think that they are 1337 h/-\x0rz...or for people who like cheap, slow(compared to Intel), amazingly unstable at times, heat generating chips....their Duron range is vastly superior to the Intel Celereon range, that i must admit...

Twisted Metal · 25th Jan 2002, 02:11 PM

I believe my Texas Instruments ti-83+ calculator uses a pentium 4 and it's a slow processor trust me, the screen blurs when there is motion and does not respond too fast when doing complex mathematical operations, or drawing graphs.

Give it up Intelboys. The benchmarks all over the net prove AMD's XP processors are just as fast and even faster than the Pentium 4's that have a faster clock speed. That's because AMD is built more efficient and they don't need an insane clock speed to get performance. Yeah that's right bish. What now.

25th Jan 2002, 02:21 PM

Is this the test youre talking about? guess not since it crushes the Athlon....

Loibisch · 25th Jan 2002, 02:40 PM

lol spike, Q3A is about the only test that the intel is better in.

Let me link some:

This is the Q3A test...as yo ucan easily see the P4 2,2GHz outperforms the AMD Athlon XP 2000+...which is actually running at 1666MHz, that's over half a gigahertz lower than the Intel.
Still it manages to be faster than the P4 2GHz.

Now the same test at 1024x768

The difference is negligible (sp?). The Athlon 2000+ is now much closer to the Intel 2,2GHz (which is - I want to stress it again - 533MHz faster than the AMD chip). And it leaves the 2GHz Intel behind. The difference is under 5%...for the best "bang per buck" you can definitely go with an AMD.

Q3A is Intels strong point...now for the rest.

Athlon 2000+ (1,66GHz) outperforms Intel 2,2GHz...straight.

Same test at DX8 and 32bit...http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q...s/image008.gif
Difference is about 1%...not even worth mentioning...

More tests available here at Tom's Hardware

The P4 might be faster...but it's too little (if at all) to justify the hefty price tag you pay for CPU, RAM and MoBo.

DigitalPixie · 25th Jan 2002, 02:49 PM

even an idiot like me knows that quake isn't *all* about the cpu alone. can U please get many many more benchmarks to compare? thanks.

/edit
it took me a few minutes to read the string. thanks for the info.

/edit2
so sorry, Loibisch, I was talking to Sp!ke.

Loibisch · 25th Jan 2002, 02:52 PM

I don't want to, if you want to see more benchmarks go see the shootout here

Too many pics are baaaad, mmkay?

Fomhoire · 25th Jan 2002, 03:23 PM

Sp!ke thinks quake is the only benchmark around.

How myopic!

25th Jan 2002, 03:41 PM

Faster at memory...

Faster at sysmark...

AT GAMES TOO!!?!?!? WHAT A SUPRISE!!

Now who would have thought, the P4 is proven to outperform the XPs in almost every benchmark avaliable!!

Btw. does anyone actually see the images, I dont think Gamespot allows you too link their pics...Link: http://gamespot.com/gshw/stories/fla...7299-3,00.html

And the OC possiblities are very good too, thanks to the 0,13micron thinghy

ZenPirate · 25th Jan 2002, 03:49 PM

There are reviews of both products that gie cinflicting results,so debating is pointless.Personally,cost is my number one factor.How much does that 2.0 pentium 4 setup cost,with RAM compared to the fastest AMD system? Prolly about double,and considering it'll be obsolete in six months anyway,why spend all that money?By the way,I still feel AMD's are better performers than P4's.

Fomhoire · 25th Jan 2002, 03:50 PM

Spike, those memory bandwidth comparisons are of the i850 and the KT266A chipsets, not the processors.

Aside from that...the Athlons still outperform the P4's

Quote:

Originally posted by "Sp!ke"

Faster at memory...

Faster at sysmark...

AT GAMES TOO!!?!?!? WHAT A SUPRISE!!

Now who would have thought, the P4 is proven to outperform the XPs in almost every benchmark avaliable!!

Btw. does anyone actually see the images, I dont think Gamespot allows you too link their pics...Link: http://gamespot.com/gshw/stories/fla...7299-3,00.html

And the OC possiblities are very good too, thanks to the 0,13micron thinghy

25th Jan 2002, 11:51 AM	#1
WildWing Registered User Join Date: Sep. 16th, 2001 Location: New York City Posts: 87	AMD Athlon or Intel Pentium I'm hearing all this good stuff about AMD newest sysytems will have dual processor support and will be much better than any Intel Pentium class systems... And that Intel won't be making any dual preocessor support systems because the "RAM bus" type of RAM the "Intel P4 montherboard" uses will equate for a dual processor? I'd just like to know what you guys say about this, where do your loyalties lie, who's band waggon are you jumping off of or staying on and why?

25th Jan 2002, 11:56 AM	#3
Hourences Join Date: Aug. 29th, 2000 Location: Belgium/Holland/Sweden Posts: 5,054	got a brand new cpu now, amd xp 1800+, runs good, i like it, i bought it cause it was much cheaper then the equal fast p4 2.0-2.2 ghz, and this cou is a tiny bit faster then the p4 so amd for me, only bad thing imo is that it gets a bit hot, 55 degree celcius idle here :\ but thats normal for an amd __________________

25th Jan 2002, 12:02 PM	#5
The_Inflictor Honest and unmerciful Join Date: Mar. 25th, 2000 Location: Midlands Posts: 2,433	AMDs are also cheaper __________________ TheInflictor\|BuF "Power corrupts. Absolute power is kinda neat." John Lennon

25th Jan 2002, 12:22 PM	#6
FireSlash Whats a FireSlash? Join Date: Feb. 3rd, 2001 Location: Central Ohio Posts: 4,300	i tend to find AMDs more stable and better OCing chips, but just in my expierence, i have done no research in it. i just like AMD more __________________ Theory is when you know everything and nothing works. Practice is when things work, and no one knows why. Here we combine theory and practice. Nothing works and no one knows why.

25th Jan 2002, 02:11 PM	#12
Twisted Metal Anfractuous Aluminum Join Date: Jul. 28th, 2001 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 7,008	I believe my Texas Instruments ti-83+ calculator uses a pentium 4 and it's a slow processor trust me, the screen blurs when there is motion and does not respond too fast when doing complex mathematical operations, or drawing graphs. Give it up Intelboys. The benchmarks all over the net prove AMD's XP processors are just as fast and even faster than the Pentium 4's that have a faster clock speed. That's because AMD is built more efficient and they don't need an insane clock speed to get performance. Yeah that's right bish. What now. __________________

25th Jan 2002, 11:54 AM	#2
CHRYSt You can't help that. We're all mad here. Join Date: Jan. 14th, 2000 Posts: 4,851	The dual AMD solution is rock stable, and uber fast. The single AMD solution is rock stable, and uber fast, tho not as uber fast as the dual setup. The p4 solution is slow and ****ty, unless you get the newest "northwood" procs, with RAMBUS. Then it competes with AMD's performance. Clock for clock, the Athlon is simply faster.

25th Jan 2002, 11:57 AM	#4
SludgeX ... Join Date: Jul. 9th, 2001 Location: Chicagoland, IL Posts: 515	This thread is gonna be trouble... My suggestion is, do as much research as possible on the subject and decide for yourself which processor(s) will best suit your needs. Both companies make excellent dual CPU systems, and you can't go wrong using either brand.

25th Jan 2002, 01:57 PM	#7
"Sp!ke" Guest Posts: n/a	AMD Sux, Intel Rox. Serious answer: Intels are a LOT more stable, faster, WAY more OC able(you can clock a 2,2 up to 3,7..), but it comes at a price... AMD: For people who think that they are 1337 h/-\x0rz...or for people who like cheap, slow(compared to Intel), amazingly unstable at times, heat generating chips....their Duron range is vastly superior to the Intel Celereon range, that i must admit...

25th Jan 2002, 02:02 PM	#8
SludgeX ... Join Date: Jul. 9th, 2001 Location: Chicagoland, IL Posts: 515	Well, any credibility this thread might of had has now officially been shot to pieces... Suggestion to WildWing Please delete this thread at your earliest convience.

25th Jan 2002, 02:05 PM	#9
Euphoric Beaver impeccably groomed Join Date: Apr. 19th, 2001 Location: Great Britain Posts: 3,158	I've heard alot about the AMD raping the Pentium but the tests I've seen don't really confirm this. The results really aren't that big. If your buying it by itself then you should proberly buy the AMD, though watch the temp. But if your getting the full new juicey PC works then either is fine.

25th Jan 2002, 02:07 PM	#10
"Sp!ke" Guest Posts: n/a	"Well, any credibility this thread might of had has now officially been shot to pieces." Credibility? Didnt you see that last LOOONG thread on the AMd vs Intel debate? Me said Intel better AND PROVED IT WITH MANY MANY ****ING BENCHMARKS! Just none of you people were able too accept it and got it closed.... The only valid argument the AMD crowd managed to make was: "If we underclock the P4 down too AMDs level then the Amd would be better" .... Ciced: In the last thread you seemed to be offended because I called you something based on you being an AOL user and it seemd that you took it seriously, I didnt get time to apologize in that thread before is got closed, it was just a joke... sorry

25th Jan 2002, 02:21 PM	#13
"Sp!ke" Guest Posts: n/a	Is this the test youre talking about? guess not since it crushes the Athlon....

25th Jan 2002, 02:40 PM	#14
Loibisch The Odd Member Join Date: Jan. 3rd, 2000 Location: Germany Posts: 2,199	lol spike, Q3A is about the only test that the intel is better in. Let me link some: This is the Q3A test...as yo ucan easily see the P4 2,2GHz outperforms the AMD Athlon XP 2000+...which is actually running at 1666MHz, that's over half a gigahertz lower than the Intel. Still it manages to be faster than the P4 2GHz. Now the same test at 1024x768 The difference is negligible (sp?). The Athlon 2000+ is now much closer to the Intel 2,2GHz (which is - I want to stress it again - 533MHz faster than the AMD chip). And it leaves the 2GHz Intel behind. The difference is under 5%...for the best "bang per buck" you can definitely go with an AMD. Q3A is Intels strong point...now for the rest. Athlon 2000+ (1,66GHz) outperforms Intel 2,2GHz...straight. Same test at DX8 and 32bit...http://www6.tomshardware.com/cpu/02q...s/image008.gif Difference is about 1%...not even worth mentioning... More tests available here at Tom's Hardware The P4 might be faster...but it's too little (if at all) to justify the hefty price tag you pay for CPU, RAM and MoBo. __________________ [Ci]Loibisch - Site/Forum admin and attacker of clan Carpe Imperium Last edited by Loibisch; 25th Jan 2002 at 02:50 PM.

25th Jan 2002, 02:49 PM	#15
DigitalPixie local hottie!! Join Date: Dec. 20th, 2001 Posts: 720	even an idiot like me knows that quake isn't all about the cpu alone. can U please get many many more benchmarks to compare? thanks. /edit it took me a few minutes to read the string. thanks for the info. /edit2 so sorry, Loibisch, I was talking to Sp!ke. Last edited by DigitalPixie; 25th Jan 2002 at 02:59 PM.

25th Jan 2002, 02:52 PM	#16
Loibisch The Odd Member Join Date: Jan. 3rd, 2000 Location: Germany Posts: 2,199	I don't want to, if you want to see more benchmarks go see the shootout here Too many pics are baaaad, mmkay? __________________ [Ci]Loibisch - Site/Forum admin and attacker of clan Carpe Imperium

25th Jan 2002, 03:23 PM	#17
Fomhoire Internet Addict Join Date: Dec. 24th, 2000 Location: Sacramento, CA Posts: 1,515	Sp!ke thinks quake is the only benchmark around. How myopic!

25th Jan 2002, 03:41 PM	#18
"Sp!ke" Guest Posts: n/a	Faster at memory... Faster at sysmark... AT GAMES TOO!!?!?!? WHAT A SUPRISE!! Now who would have thought, the P4 is proven to outperform the XPs in almost every benchmark avaliable!! Btw. does anyone actually see the images, I dont think Gamespot allows you too link their pics...Link: http://gamespot.com/gshw/stories/fla...7299-3,00.html And the OC possiblities are very good too, thanks to the 0,13micron thinghy

25th Jan 2002, 03:49 PM	#19
ZenPirate Living Legend (and moderator) Join Date: Nov. 21st, 2000 Location: New York Posts: 7,468	There are reviews of both products that gie cinflicting results,so debating is pointless.Personally,cost is my number one factor.How much does that 2.0 pentium 4 setup cost,with RAM compared to the fastest AMD system? Prolly about double,and considering it'll be obsolete in six months anyway,why spend all that money?By the way,I still feel AMD's are better performers than P4's.

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