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[Malkor]

Why do people even try to justify pirating software, games, etc...?

Lame Argument #1: It's too expensive! No way I can afford it! Why should I hafta pay if I can just get it for free.

Lame Argument #2: Why do you care? Its not like Im stealing it, its already been stolen, Im just downloading it like other people to use it.

Lame Argument #3: They arent losing anything! The distributors and dealers (stores) already payed them! So why should I care?

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Good Reason not to PIRATE #1: You've stolen someone elses creativity without paying for it, Its illegal, you goto jail, 'nuff said.

[Cactus]

arrrgh... i'm the dread pirate robert...

[JTRipper]

How did they get that handcuff around your hook, Robert the Porky?

[Chrysaor]

I suppose the argument I'd use is that I won't make any money off of their software, the reason they charge so much for it is because companies can make buttloads of cash by enhancing their product. I don't see my bank account swelling with the success of any of my maps.

This is all in consideration that I would ever d/l a warez program..

But you have to understand that there are OUTRAGES increases in the profit margin.. for instance a CD.. (audio) costs LESS than $4 to manufacture.. and that includes shipping to the retailer.. now where I live a CD runs roughly $20.00 sometimes less like 16-18 depending on if if feel like hanging out at the Walmart ..
but still look at the profit margin..
sorry but I don't feel like paying almost 10 times the cost on some software.. take PC games.. UT when it came out what was it 49?.. now the UTGOTY version is 10.. why.. it's not like the game is any different?? well it's not selling as well... and that's the whole deal.. if people want something.. the other people that make it will get EVERYPENNY they can from you .. and THEN lower the price..
take RTCW.. 49.00 bucks.. bust buy prolly pays 19.. their suppliers pay prolly 13..
and on down the ladder...
mine works just fine.. 'cept I don't have a pretty lable

[JTRipper]

Some valid points, but a couple things neglected or not considered.

Chrysoar - not to imply you might ever consider DLing warez , but whether or not you ever make a buck off using it, they spent an enourmous amount of cash making it. I'll use a game as an example (not the same as Max, I know). A team of say 3 programmers, 3 artists, 5 level designers, and a producer to make an even dozen. Pretty small. Let's also say that the game is a year and a half in development, and the average production salary is about $60,000 (which it is). That's $1,080,000 in salaries, only for production salaries, and not giving the lead positions any more pay. No officers, accountants, financing, or any other overhead are counted there. Now, to look at a program like Max, the kind of 3d programmers they need are a trifle more than $60k (possibly double or triple that, not sure), and I have no idea what the development cycle is. No, they don't need level designers <g>, but you get the picture. So yes, they charge a whopping bundle of cash for it, but it's not just because it's targetted at folks who make money off it.

And Spiritwalker, those profits you refer to do a lot that you might not readily notice. The CD, and the profit margin in particular, is to thank for a lot of the music out today. Once upon a time, it was hideously hard to get a contract in the music business. If a company wasn't very sure they could at least break even on a band, there was no chance. When CD's first came out, there were a lot of problems in production, and the average run of CD's was almost $15 a disk to publish. I think you're old enough to remember when CD's were $25-$30 to buy. More reliable and cheaper ways to make them brought production costs down, but the price didn't come down in proportion. The result was that record companies were seeing a profit they never had before, and all of a sudden were able to start signing bands that would have been considered too great a risk before. They can continue to do this because of the CD profits.

[edit]Who's the liar who voted no?

[fragswill]

I usually get warezed games on lans, just to be able to play with the rest.. but they have a habit of staying on the harddrive.

[oosyxxx]

Originally posted by fragswill
I usually get warezed games on lans, just to be able to play with the rest.. but they have a habit of staying on the harddrive.

LOL@the unhappy face.

[BangOut]

My twin brother likes warez.

[lucifix]

i would dl some, like the older fps games, if i didnt have a ****ty 56k, but people that get evey new game that comes out is only hurting the buisness and themselves in return........

[Frostblood]

Thats right. There is a huge markup, and for music it is just greedy. But a top quality game costs millions of dollars...most mods today ( let alone commercial games ) have 10-20 team members, they would all need to be payed £30,000+ per year, plus advertising, hardware/software ( v expensive ), publishing costs...many games nowadays don't actually make much profit, and just tide the team over until they hit the jackpot.

[Balton]

the music industry lost 30% of their income. now the say programs like napster or so are hurting them so hard. But infact its more the ****ty music that they are trying to make us buy! the top ten charts have 3 decent till good songs. the rest is some crap. So if they would throw all those no-talent musicians out and pay the good ones better... but than they wouldnt have enough money and the real artists would!


now abotu programs. some programs like maxx are too expensive as long as you dont make money with it. If you are good and know maxx you can produce animated movies iwth it or lots of other stuff. means such a license will pay-off! You as little home user who is learning this program will become a "possible customer". So someday you might pay... and that pays off!

[Balton]

Originally posted by Frostblood
Thats right. There is a huge markup, and for music it is just greedy. But a top quality game costs millions of dollars...most mods today ( let alone commercial games ) have 10-20 team members, they would all need to be payed £30,000+ per year, plus advertising, hardware/software ( v expensive ), publishing costs...many games nowadays don't actually make much profit, and just tide the team over until they hit the jackpot.

if you think a game is good buy the real version. So we will have the chance for other great games!

[Frostblood]

If the music industry kicked out all the manufactured bands, britneys and boy bands they would be left with almost nothing to make money with. Nu-metal and such makes up a small proportion of the charts, and most never gets in, while every pop band goes straigt to no 1...30 years ago they would have been laughed out of the studio.

[@kuma]

Imagine if you could warez crack & hookers.....

the world would be a safer place for all mankind

Uh - warezing games is bad, k?

[Balton]

Originally posted by Frostblood
If the music industry kicked out all the manufactured bands, britneys and boy bands they would be left with almost nothing to make money with. Nu-metal and such makes up a small proportion of the charts, and most never gets in, while every pop band goes straigt to no 1...30 years ago they would have been laughed out of the studio.

britney and boy bands are supposed to be for teenies. Later they will buy hip hop this gangster rap **** or even worser stuff alá Sarah Connor Sorry, but these "manufactured" bands wont bring in new styles concerning music or anything else. They are jsut brining some made up synth loops with some half whakcy vocals and ofcourse "fashy" clothes. oh yeah, the better manufactured bands are covering songs from old legends. Im my opinion there has to be a limit for all this popy crap. I might sounds very nihilistic but thats not true... maybe I show you a lsit of my mp3s ( oh-oh ) to convince you. Btw. band s like radiohead or smashing pumpkins are deserving much more attention than a britney. Britney is jsut so often on the screen cos she has a top body!

[Balton]

Originally posted by @kuma
Imagine if you could warez crack & hookers.....

the world would be a safer place for all mankind

Uh - warezing games is bad, k?

crack & hooker = drugs and payed girls? LOL

about warezing games. dling roms is warezing games too

[Frostblood]

I couldn't agree more!

People always say that rock music is damaging to children but the constant exposure to pop music does far more damage...it gives entirely the wrong impression, that looks and fashion are all that matter...and that the best thing you can do with your life is sing someone elses songs badly...whereas I can't see how anything other than the most satanic heavy metal which is a tiny majority could harm anyone...

[@kuma]

abandonware aka roms/old games is a different thing

its not black & white otherwise there would be clear legal precedents (spelling?) governing it & the Whiter Than White GSI wouldn't be running ClassicGaming.com

as it is, if a game's no longer availible through retail or from the publisher then I see no reason for not downloading it. There's no loss of revenue to the manufacturors of the game, the only people who lose out are the re-sellers and guys on ebay... Cry me a river

[Frostblood]

Of course, nooone would dispute that if it is nolonger available then its not wrong.