Thoughts on Assault...

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Hi, I'm new here, but not a newbie before anyone gets raggedy on my ass for posting this thread.

I'm a faithful Assault player from the original UT through until today (- a little gap where that crap UT was) and I personally think it's a stupid, *stupid*, idea that they'd want to take this incredibly popular gametype out of the wonderful engine.

I'd like to know your opinions on the matter and whether or not, you think, it'd be worth my while making and/or scripting Assault maps for the new one, bearing in mind that, supposedly, Conquest will have Assault aspects to it.

Cheers,
Jax.
 
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Conquest sounds like it will basically be an enormous game of dynamic assault or something.

Either way, I personally think Unreal Tournament has really been an online game all along. And looking at how few assault servers are really around, how hard it is to make maps for it, I think it can be sacrificed. Someone will inevitably mod it back in, and the amount of players dedicated to that mod will pretty much equal the amount playing it right now, atleast that's what I'm guessing.

The main gametypes have really always been DM, TDM, and CTF. UT2004 succesfully managed to add ONS to the mix, it really worked. Possibly because of the vehicles.

Let's see if Conquest is going to be a worthy replacement for Assault. Who knows, ONS might actually lose popularity, and you'll never know what'll happen next iteration of the Unreal series.

I agree with Epic on this.
 
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carmatic

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not only is conquest assault-like, but its also persistent, like a mmofps .... i doubt that beyond having vehicles, conquest would have anything more to do with onslaught... just like onslaught has anything to do with vctf at all , they are all simple, functional concepts that work differently and they happen to be based on vehicles...
well maybe assault isnt so simple and neither would conquest be, but its either simple and it works, or its complicated and risk being borked by lots of hopeful mappers...
at least, conquest would hopefully solve the problem of all the race assault maps infesting the servers... unless someone comes up with a paris-dakkar conquest race map or something filled with unrealistic cities/jungles/deserts/whatever...
 
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Assault.... Incredibly Popular... :lol:

It's a nice gametype, but balancing the timeplayed versus the money invested compared to the other gametypes means.. no.

But you should see some of the elements of it in Conquest, apparently.
 
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It's hardly unpopular edhe, recently the league had 16 applying teams of at least 5 each, though most had more, then there are plenty of people who play for fun. If you add race maps to that lot then you have a very popular game type, the question is would something like Conquest fill the gap where Assault is? It has components of Assault but I seriously douubt it'll even compare.
 
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Datajax

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That was a last resort, though I have to admit I'm surpised someone hasn't made a full blown mod for them :S
 
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as far as I know conquest is assault mixed with domination, which could be a lot better for online gaming
if I had to choose between an old game mode and a new one, which could work out a lot better in online gaming and which is innovativ, I would choose the new one
 
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One reason why I would like Assault to be in Envy is that it hardly takes 15 minutes to complete a stage. Its a quick game with direct objectives along with a hint of vehicular bonuses on some levels. I wouldn't mind seeing it go too but then I'd have to wake up at 4:00 A.M. to play Conquest in order to make it to an 8'clock class.
 
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If mapping for Envy is anything like what the Pariah editor LOOKS LIKE, then Conquest maps should be much more popular than the PITA that Assault maps are presently.
 
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Datajax said:
That was a last resort, though I have to admit I'm surpised someone hasn't made a full blown mod for them :S
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you mean something like unwheel.beyondunreal.com ?

i still think a deathrace 2000 style conquest map is the best, long live race maps
 
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No, just... no, Race Maps are the scurge of the assault servers where a bunch of noobs and people who take racing games too seriously gather to hurl abuse at each other and try to complete a nigh impossible map.

The thing I don't get is that everyone is saying 'Conquest is going to be *insert some alternative for amazing/orgasmic here*.' The fact is, at one point I thought that bombing run sounded good, it was a massive disappointment. However, as Arsenal said, Assault is a nice quick game, takes 20 minutes Max (depending on the server time limit, but most use 10 mins a round), it's tried and tested.

Does anyone think, *not* in their personal opinions about the game type, that it is/would be popular enough to be worth while attempting? Is Conquest going to be all the say and more? It's way too early to go flying things around saying that Conquest is going to be great, looks good on paper but it has to be pulled off properly, remember. Plenty things can look good in theory and look like ****e. Assault has many more possibilities, especially with this new engine and scripting capabilities.

Over to you...
 
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I loved AS in UT more than anything....
In 2k4 it's just "ok"
They tried to make it too complicated for it's own good... which also makes it uber-hard to map for compared to other game types.
If they had kept it simple and to the point like in UT I'm sure there'd be tons more custom maps and a larger community for it.

Symbolikal said:
If I were a Epic employee, I'd ban anybody's CD key who was on a TRIAL map at the time. Then I'd write a program that did it for me.
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Trial maps are great practice for dodges and jumping, as race maps are for vehicles. When you get too obsessed, it becomes stupid.
 
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go to unwheel.beyondunreal.com for all your svehicle racing needs, seriously... www.beyondunreal.com/unwheel

dont make any more race assault maps, map for unwheel instead, and make proper shooty assault maps too
how hard is it to make an assault map? i do know that ideally , you would record your own voice and stuff, but is there anything more than that and basic mapping knowledge?
 
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