My rant

In real life weapons cost money. In real life most soldiers don't have grenade launchers because...

1: They are only useful in specific situations
2: These situations are almost all situations where one or two launchers per squad is enough.
3: Because one or two per squad is enough and they are only useful in specific situations, the added weight is not wanted or needed by the soldiers.
4: It would cost millions to give every soldier one, which would be pointless given the above reasons.

"I agree, if there is some weapon that is becoming an "uberweapon" then you just need to figure out tactics to counter their use. Most of the people who use the M203 don't know how to use anything else, so once you get the upperhand you will OWN them"

I also agree with that, partially. I don't think the problem is with the launcher combo though. By itself it is rather balanced and once they tweak the bulk settings people will most likely carry fewer grenades meaning they probably won't run around in grenade mode, they'll save the grenades for when they really need them. At the very least it should prevent people from carrying around the m16/203 AND a shotgun AND a sniper rifle.

I believe the main problem is the fact that there are simply too many of them. If you and a few friends are going up a group of enemies you could expect one to have a launcher. Tactics can compensate to at least reduce his effect. He can be taken out and you can continue fighting the rest of the enemy team. That never happens though. Not only does that one guy have a launcher but one of the two people standing nearby also has a launcher. Even if you take these two out when you advance forward you are likely to find another enemy 20 feet back, also with a launcher. You could try to sneak around through a building but upon doing so you meet yet another enemy, also with a launcher which he fires from 10 feet into you. If it doesn't kill you your hurt bad which means when you leave the building some other guy only has to get a grenade within 15 feet to kill you. This would never happen in real life. You might have one guy up front with a launcher plus one in back. If your from a wealthy country you might have one on that guy in the building but like everybody else he would be walking around in bullet modem, he would engage first in bullet mode, and would only switch to grenades when it is safe and appropriate to do so.

I don't mind a 2-3 per team per game what bugs me (and I think most other people) is that it isn't 2-3 per team its 4-6, and they use them as their primary weapon most of the time.

Regardless of all other factors it is simply unrealistic for most of a team to have grenade launchers, and for a large portion of those who do to use it as their main weapon regardless of range. It's as simple as that. For a mod that is so realistic the realism, for me anyways, is competely thrown out the window simply because so many people use grenades in such an unrealistic manner.

For example take sicily, near that one grass corner where the red team comes out. There is that building right there with a door on each side. I don't know how many times I've snuck into there with a close range weapon only to have an enemy rush in the other door and launch a grenade at me. If it doesn't hit and kill me it hits the wall behind you and if that doesn't kill you than the person simply switches to gun mode and only requires 1 bullet to finish the job. Even if I get the first shot with a sig or something like that, and it hits, I still end up getting nailed cus the time it takes for my weapon to fire 2-3 rounds is long enough for him to fire one grenade.

Even if you take him out when you leave the other side your gonna get a grenade into that little 'nitch' the door is in cus somebody else on red is waiting with another launcher. If you go around the building and take that guy out your bound to meet ANOTHER guy with a launcher. Go the long way around and you'll find ANOTHER grenade launcher toting guy. That isn't even what bothers me it's the 'grenade first, mop up with gun' mentality most of these people use. See an enemy far away? Launch a grenade. See an enemy at mid range? Launch a grenade. Walk around a corner and spot one? Launch a grenade. Grenade launchers are not primary weapons yet that is exactly how they are used. If your walking around looking for an enemy you should be in bullet mode. If you see an enemy in a spot that would best be dealt with a grenade than by all means use it but this primary launcher crap is out of hand and something needs to be done. I normally hate when people tell others how to play but this is so greatly unrealistic that it needs to be changed, even if it requires some unrealistic changes.

But a lot of people DO kill friendlies a LOT with grenades. Why? Because they use grenades FIRST.

I don't think everybody understands my points though.

1: People use grenade launchers at close range. In reality this would be extremely dangerous not only to yourself but to teammates.

2: People almost always launch grenades before firing their main gun. I don't know for sure but I would think that in real life grenades are used as secondary supressive weapons used to keep the enemies heads down and/or get enemies out of well fortified positions that cannot be killed with regular fire. If an enemy is hiding someplace and you know it than it is good to use a grenade, the problem is even if the enemy ISN'T hiding and it is extremely easy to hit them with regular bullets people don't. This is my biggest gripe. People don't even TRY to use their gun they shoot the grenade first then use the gun only if the grenade didn't do the job.

3: The military doesn't equip NEARLY as many soldiers with grenade launchers. They cost a lot and are only useful in specific situations.

Those are the three main problems. Too many people have them which is unrealistic, many use them as their first shot which is unrealistic, and make use them in close quarters which is unrealistic. If they made grenades heavier, or more expensive, people would be less likely to fire them if the gun could get the job done. If they were more dangerous to the user in close quarters you would see a lot less use of grenade launchers indoors. There isn't really a fair way to limit how many people per team can use them but if you made them more realistic in terms of usefulness I don't think this would be a problem anymore.

It also isn't the tactics I use, as many people have suggested. The reason it's so annoying is because many maps have a limited amount of paths to get to where you want to go. Cuban Dawn is a great example. The blue team often camps all 3 entrances with grenades making it virtually impossible for anyone to get out. All the red team can really do in that map is wait. It's not that it's a bad strategy to use it's just that realistically the blue team wouldn't have so many launchers and they wouldn't be so quick to use grenades because bullets can supress the red team just fine. Although the individual use in this situation is realistic, the use as a whole is completely unrealistic.