The behaviour of some clans is killing UT!

Haha...are you talking about lift camping in Gauntlet? My clan's never really played that map, but we recently had a match scheduled where our opponents chose Gauntlet. So, in the course of practicing it, we discovered the nasty ability to shut down the flag carrier by keeping their lift up off the ground.

Personally, I consider it a valid tactic. If you can't keep your lift clear, you deserver to be shut down.

If yer talkin' bout something else...I'm clueless

Thanks Rene

Hi Rene,

Thanks for the post...You seem to have brought out some of the more honourable players and clans to the forefront.
MUTTS - nice to see you again, I am sure if you played us now we would get owned, we have had next to no practice in teamplay after the CCC. I am happy to say that 2 of our players are Headed to the World Cyber Game Challenge after being named Canada's Best 1vs1 players. Hi Jen, Brainfire and I didn't get a chance to come over and say hi, sorry about that. We came looking for the Panther XL's but...YOU GUYS LEFT EARLY!

Anyhow, I would like to thank everyone for encouraging Rene~M and xeno to stay in the game. The rest of the team has stepped up and we are looking at the Teamplay.net ladders where our xeno Quake 3 teams are playing this season. The proving Grounds seems like a good idea too. We will take a look and decide soon. Hopefully we will see you all soon...if you would like arrange to play for fun or practice send me an email... ronin@xenoclan.com

GG's all!

hi ronin

yet another person i didn't get to say wassup to!

anyways i did get to say hi to brainfire.. actually when voyd and i got there to sign in, he said "you must be jenny.. hi!" and it freaked me out because i was like hm who is this guy and how does he know my name heheh.. then i realized it was brainfire because i had kicked a few emails back and forth a few days before i went.

i'm not sure i was too hard to miss there.. although i did spend a lot of time sitting on my ass playing botmatches hehe anyways on the first day i was wearing a grey t shirt with a red vest thingie (old navy tech vest w00t).. and i had a bright orange sweatshirt on the second day, so if you saw a female traffic cone it was me.

anyways i am now so tired i can't even see the text i am typing right now, it's time to go to bed i think.

4:12 am is bad.

and rene you're not leaving ut, i haven't even gotten a chance to play with ya yet.


god damnit it wont' let me post because i have too many image tags.

EAT ME 8(

and that goes for the rest of xeno too i asked a few of ya for a game there but i didn't get a response so poopie on that.

i must be really tired if i'm saying lame stuff like poopie on that 8) ok this is my last post goodnight hehe

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH BODKINS.

I'm not in a clan, I wouldn't mind being in one, but my skills aren't that good, and I don't have a lot of time to devote to a clan.

So, as with Bodkins, I play on public servers. What bothers me is when a clan member comes in with 60 ping, runs through everybody (mostly hpb's) and then starts boasting and taunting. Of course their using the Xan model/voice.

Gee, I'm impressed..you can beat up on HPB's and Newbies. Oooooooooh!!!!

Maybe I ought to make that a text bind..

there's a lot of clans out there who don't accept players based solely on their skill. hell the clan i'm in (still nwa altho they don't play ut anymore) consists of a bunch of guys who for the most part know each other in person (they just happened to kick ass at ut/sin/now cs when they were playing it) and it took me a long time to get in because they wanted to make sure i didn't have a poor attitude. these are the guys who play for fun and wouldn't act how you guys describe on the servers. maybe if you guys found some of these clans and played with them you wouldn't feel like we all have this 'l33ter-th4n-th0u' attitude.. a perfect example would be the mighty mighty smiley squad.. they're a pretty high-ranked clan and known for being nice, friendly guys.

whenever i've played on public servers i run into a million nameless weenies with a random clan tag who think they own and have the right to rip on you but the truth is they suck.

anyways i seem to be on a lengthy post kick, i'm outta heeeeeuh.. time for some spaghettios.

I think one thing has been lost in this thread.

A person does not have to be in a clan to be an @sshole. People are individuals. This whole topic has been a vague generalization.

People who wear their clan tags represent their clans. If they are acting like that in public, it's not too hard to find a website for the clan in question and send an email or make a post to let your thoughts be known.

If a clan chooses to have members that represent them in such a manner, it looks bad on that clan. It's the specific clan's problem, and eventually they will have to deal with it.

Certainly, some clan members playing on a public, and taunting/spamming/name calling etc is going to happen. I feel that's lame. But also, non-clan members will do the same.

A game this popular is going to breed all kinds of players. The secret is to find a server where you get to know the regulars and have a good time, whether you're in a clan or not.

as games get older people start to get bored and they start talking **** just to make things more intersting

i remember when i first started playing online games this one dude kept talking how bad he was and it just made me play harder after a week or so of playing with him he was avoiding me cause i would always kill him he would still win most games cause i would just be going after him and he would run around and kill all the easy kills it made me better player

i remember playing sin ctf with NWA reaper and the damn over powerd ctf sniper rifle that took no skill next to the dm sniper rifle where you had to do a head shot to kill someone with 1 shot

god i hate when i'm about to write a lengthy well thought out post and my brain turns to mush.

blah.

Hey Jim my friend,

I think that you may have the wrong impression about the amount of servers out there. There are not hundreds of clan-only-type servers out there... most clans are lucky to even have one server available for matches. And the clans are not playing matches all the time, only a very few per week probably. We want to play just as much as everyone else, so the only places we can go are to the public servers. If you see a clan server out there with a password, it is not some universal password for all clans - it is simply a private server for that one clan.

Also, clan members are the same as anyone else - they are ordinary people who just have added a tag to their name. This is a game for people of all skill levels, and it is hardly fair to single people out because they are better than others. Of course I agree that if someone is flaunting their prowess it is disgraceful, but like Temp, if I completely dominate a game, I will probably thank the other people for the game and go elsewhere for the next round. But I can't be expected to know beforehand how good the people on the map will be.

I am sure it is nice for newer players to win maps (I remember it being great my first time), but it also provides stimulation for them to see some top class players. When I started out I couldn't believe how good some people were, and it made me rethink the way I was playing the game and to try and learn new tactics to beat them.

Originally posted by bodkins
But understand this. As a member of the "public", I tell you that UT was designed for the hardcorp (clans), not the public. The public never lasts in a match on PUBLIC servers. For a clan member under these circumstances to be concerned about their treatment in a game designed for them and ignore what they themselves do to the public on public servers is inane.

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Don't take this as anything less than friendly disagreement.

But as a member of the public, AND a clan member, I don't think it's UT's fault for the behaviour of anyone playing it. People will act as they will, regardless of being in a clan or not, no matter what game they play. What excuses they use are another thing. If someone camps, snipes, spams or even cheats, it's not the doing of UT. It's the actions of that person. Regardless of his reason for doing it. Whether it be because he's in a clan, or not.

The thing to do is find a server that you are comfortable playing on, and play. Don't like anything about it? (players, lag, gametype, mutators or maps) Then just leave. There are thousands more online. Find something you can enjoy.

In the end it's a $40 game that you play to get away from the real world. Don't bring any baggage into it, or take any from it.

I look at my time as being too valuable to waste being ticked in a game. I'll leave a server at the drop of a hat and not think twice about it, for whatever reason. I'm too old to think I need to put up with any crap when I play on my own time, my own computer, my own house that I pay for with my own money. The disconnect key is a finger-distance away.

Originally posted by Morety
I think one thing has been lost in this thread. A person does not have to be in a clan to be an @sshole. People are individuals. This whole topic has been a vague generalization.

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I agree with you here. I don't care what clan a twerp is in when he's spamming the airwaves with "I dodge like a Viper!" or "You need to learn to dodge!" ten times in a row on a server.

I think one thing has been lost in this thread.

A person does not have to be in a clan to be an @sshole. People are individuals. This whole topic has been a vague generalization.

People who wear their clan tags represent their clans. If they are acting like that in public, it's not too hard to find a website for the clan in question and send an email or make a post to let your thoughts be known.

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Morety you make a great point. As leader of the xeno-ut division and a leader of xenoclan as a whole, I can definately say we spend alot of time maintaining a certain level of behaviour and sportsmanlike conduct. Criteria for membership goes far beyond pure game skills. XENO players must be proactive in the community and display a heightened sense of fair play (sometimes this has worked to our disadvantage - e.g. OGL)

Anyhow, sorry to make this sound like xeno pimpage, my point is to encourage those clan leaders who hope to have their clans last longer than a school vacation to maintain the level of sportsmanship in their group.

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Good points Ultron!

It is simply a game that should be played for some fun! No point in taking it too seriously, or letting it get us down etc.

And Jim - just so you can be sure - like Ulton said, all my comments are just friendly discusion

Hi,

Mrukk, I know not everyone has a private server. And I know that not all clans play matches constantly. Ever been in a practice? I havent. Ever played a high level team oriented match? I havent really. Ever played on a pubbie? That's all I can do really. Whoever shows up and whatever they do is what I get. This isn't UT at its highest. UT at its highest is in the clan match. Which is why I said that UT was meant for the elite (hardcorp).

My intention isn't to just clan bash. It is true that the better players are in clans generally. Hobart is good and isn't. But that is odd. DDUNK wasn't for quite a while but now is. Ineff is a one woman clan. These are rare. I guess I use "clan" to mean the better players. Players that are not solely dependent upon public servers like the rest of us. Compared to a little "smack", what the public must deal with from the "elite" is much more significant. Generally we public players feel like we are in the way most of the time on public servers if there are "elite" players there.

BTW, Mrukk I miss your brother from the demo Cruk. I guess he just failed the retail try out. ;(

Thanks

Jim
bodkins@prologic.com

the question, bodkins, is whether joining a clan really changes anything about the player?

is ddunk different in any way because he's in lsd now? was ineff somehow different when she was in {fu}? would i be even more annoying if i had a clan tag?

i've run into my share of jerks who aren't in clans. i don't think you can really tell that much about a player's personality by their clan status. all the l33t clanners who annoy you on servers...do you think they would be less arrogant if they weren't in a clan? i dunno...

You're right Hobart.

It's really two questions. Behaviour and ability. Behaviour is annoying. On the other hand, games that feature the "elite" players who are just "goofing on a pubbie" are rarely balanced. Blowouts are all too common on the net. That's no fun for those of us that are public players. Plus, what business do I have playing with someone like Kravnos? It is an interesting experience. But I would much rather have a close game with people of my own skill level. I, not everyone in this thread, use "clan" to mean advanced players. Above my level.

Thanks

Jim
bodkins@prologic.com