Limitors.

I don't know how many times I am going to have to explain, and re-explain the exact samethings. Rimmer no offense majority of your questions I've explained in earlier post but you insist to keep asking the samethings, over and over.

Unless it is a sniper rifle not meant for possible supression fire your negative ration wouldn't go down as much. As opposed to a sniper rifle would go down a lot since that isn't what it is for.

Yes it is quite possible that a few, or even a majority of players on a team would have the ratio to have a SAW. But that is were the limitor comes in. There would only be 1 available. Then it could be like the sniper voting system "New SAW Gunner" again not being able to vote for yourself since you can't pick specific person. Just a new person. Also, your going to have people after a while that don't want to use the SAW so then just choose something else, hence making it available again, to all the people with the right ratio.

The limtor could also be set up like this. Let say a 5 man team and under would only be able to have ONE SAW, ONE Sniper rifle. A 8 man team may be able to have TWO SAW's ONE Sniper rifle. A 12 man team may have TWO SAW's, TWO Sniper rifles available. And so on. You could set it, that for specialized weapons you can't have ever person having one. If you want to have a game with every person having a SAW. Like I said before there would be a option to shut off Ratio and Limitor Systems. Returning INF back to it's current state.

To my knowledge I know of no way in Diablo to go back levels for a player. So your always moving forward. With my system it wouldn't work like that, since your Ratio is ALWAYS changing up or down. EVERY single time you play, online or offline, no matter what type of game style your in to. It's not set, so you your ratio is depend on you. Again if you don't shoot your ratio isn't effected and doesn't go down. But as soon as you do it is effected once again. So you maybe shooting extremely well one night, but the next night you may have a off night, and your ratio gets lowed. Because you were hitting anything. I also never stated that when you miss 5 shots all of a sounded you back to the basic weapons. No it could take you a little while to go backwards, and you would have to be playing incredible bad. Since the ratio system would always have a higher ratio for hitting things, then have a lower negative ratio for missing things. Like say your using your MP5 50 meters. You get a kill could be +4% (Hitting the target but not killing it could be +2%) Now lets say at 50 meters you weren't able to hit it, your ratio may only go down -.5% or -1%. So it is always going to be easier to raise your ratio up then it is going to be to make it zero. With a sniper rifle as a exception. Missing a 100 meter to 100+ meter shot might cause -8% ratio down.

I never said it would be based on 30 rounds, you said that. Yes a saw gunners ratio over time would go down if he never hit anything, but again as I stated, it would be going down like -.5% for ever 100 rounds fired. While hitting something will smothing will make it go up +5% and getting a kill (at 50 meters or higher). Maybe +2.5% for hitting something but not killing it. So this so this means, in order for a SAW gunner to drop -5% he is going to have to fire like 1,000 rounds and not hit a single thing with anyone of them to even get it to go down -5%. But as soon as you hit something it is going to go up. Now granted closer rangers the ratio isn't going to go up as high as +5% per kill, it may only go up +2% for things well below 50 meters. so lets say he is really good makes two kills with two shots. He just went up +10%.

The limitor would still be able to control SAW's same way as snipers. Yes you could have 8 people on a team with enough ratio to use a SAW, but how is everyone going to get one if there are only 1 or 2 available? Then again your still going to get people that don't want to use one, even though they have the ratio for it.

Safe distances, helps your team. If your on a one life server and you kill 3 of there team when they only have 8 total. Didn't that just help your team cut the odds down massively in your favor? Any kill you make, that is more then what your losing is a advantage to your team.

So killing the team, before they even became in to the fight. So that doesn't help your team at all then with your way of thinking...

Yes you can't pick how good they are, that is just part of life. But having someone with a ratio +97-89% 100 meter to 100+ meter shooting. Because this is something they did themselves to get that ration. It wasn't given to them just because they have played a long time, it that doesn't matter. I know I would want this person using the sniper compared to something with a ratio of +10-8% for 100 meter to 100+ meter shots. (Even though with the ratio system this person wouldn't be able to have a sniper rifle yet.) So to you your gonna pick the guy that doesn't hit things very often. Compared to someone that has proven they can hit things. The ratio isn't going by someones word. "Yeah, I can make 1000 meter shots all the time!" You would just look at there ratio would show if they actually can make those shots, or there just trash talking.

If your ratio went low, and you now longer have the ratio for that paticular weapon. It wouldn't disappear, you would keep it until you die. Once you respawn you wouldn't be able to pick it anymore. Same with if they round ended you still wouldn't be able to next round, until your ratio is back up.

Originally posted by A_Rimmerlister
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// voting / ratio :
How do you 'remove' that weapon once you've lost the 'right' (because they 'voted' or you missed to many shots) ?
Immediately ? (weird & unrealistic at best)
Or do you wait until respawn (which in one-life games simply means in the next round) ? (the n00b with the sniperrifle still is ruining your game, all he has to do is disconnect and rejoin unless the server remembered is IP and score ...)

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No in a one life game wouldn't mean next round you get it back. Because when the next round starts your ratio is still low. Your ratio DOESN'T start over at the start of a new round. So if your ratio was down, at the end of a round it would still be down at the beginning of the next round until YOU make it better.

So if a new guy left the server and came back, his ratio hasn't changed and would still be low. Now for voting. You vote for a sniper, then the guy that just had the sniper rifle wants it back. One they would have to vote again until he gets it back. Two re-login on wouldn't help him. Since the person that has the sniper rifle now, would still have the sniper rifle until someone votes for a new one. Because there would be a limited numper. So if they leave and come back it doesn't make it theres now. Since someone else with a high enough ratio would have it. Until 1. People vote for a new sniper. 2. They decide they don't want to use it anymore.

Rimmer, out of curiosity, what is your favorite load out that you use most often?

Yep Rimmer, that is how I was trying to explain it to you. Was trying to get all the information I had been thinking about, while at the same time answering any question and trying to cover any points that may have been brought up.

I had been thinking of this and working on for a little bit now. Trying to go through what would be the cause and effect of each thing. Sorry for any confusion this may have caused. I hadn't called it a ranking system, even though they thought had crossed my mind, and in essence that is what would be. Reason being I never called it a ranking system, I felt that new players, would get confused that why there "rank" went down when they felt they won a match or met there goals. When in reality it is depends upon your skills with the weapons.

The limitor was only there to work with ratio system to limit certain weapons, so we no longer have sniper teams, gernade teams and so on. My "Ratio" system I put in place so people wouldn't wonder what makes the other person more qualified to get a sniper rifle or specialized weapon then them. With the "ratio" system reflecting there actually abilities in using the weapons every time they play, this would help with the problem.

As for my loadouts I use. M16 mainly. With no M203 since I've noticed in INF when you have a M203 your weapon bob is higher then if you don't have it. Don't use Scopes very often at all. Prefer iron site shooting. But if I need one I have a squad level sniper load out for that, either with a SiG with scope or M16 with a scope. Sniper rifles I don't use often. Shot gun never. SMG's I use from time to time. Been using the P90 a lot, like the flash light. Once the SOCOM pistol comes out I may just use that inside when I need a light. First thing I do when I spawn is set my weapon to single shot. If it is a assault rifle, SMG's I do quick burts by hand. AK always fire in single shot, due to it's climb.

I just thought of this system to make INF more realistic, to bring the players actual skill levels in to INF. To try and get rid of the all sniper teams, or gernade teams. By limiting the weapon numbers, and who gets them based on there actual skill. Not how fast they can pick there loadout in a menu screen.

You explained my ideas in a more simplified form very nicely.