Should I play Unreal Gold or Unreal: 1st Generation

Kerr Avon · 28th May 2012, 10:47 AM

I've not played Unreal properly before (I gave it a go, but didn't get far, as I have so many games in my backlog), but I want to give it a proper go. But I've seen the Unreal Tournament mod 1st Generation ( http://www.moddb.com/mods/unreal-tou...1st-generation ), which says:

"Unreal Tournament: 1st Generation is a Standalone Expansion Pack for Unreal Tournament, it includes Unreal and Unreal's Expansion Pack, this allows for new weapons like the Grenade Launcher, CAR and Rocket Launcher from Unreal: Return to Na Pali, UT1G does not require Unreal Tournament to run, no installation required either as it is a standalone, it is mod friendly, online capabilities to play against players on Unreal and Unreal Tournament, this mod features: All maps from Unreal, All Unreal Tournament Character models, Unreal and Unreal Tournament weapons, Singleplayer capability, Multiplayer capability, WORM mutator to allow you to choose either Unreal or Unreal Tournament Weapons. Good news to all Unreal fans of Nali Weapons, this mod is compatible with Nali Weapons 3." [copied and pasted from the moddb.com page]

Anyway, as a (more or less) newcomer to Unreal, should I play the original game (I have the Unreal Gold pack), or UT + the 1st Generation mod? Logically, I'd imagine I should play Unreal Gold, as it's the original game*, and I can always try the 1st Generation mod later, to see how they differ, but is the 1st Generation significantly better in any way that means I should play that instead of Unreal Gold? What differences are there between Unreal Gold, and 1st Generation?

* Is Unreal Gold different from the original release of Unreal (aside from the addition of the expansion pack?

Delacroix · 28th May 2012, 11:05 AM

Definitely Unreal Gold. UT has some modifications to Unreal's AI that make monster behavior just a tad different. Tiny details that change the experience.

* Unreal Gold = Unreal + RTNP + UT's UnrealWindows interface.

UBerserker · 28th May 2012, 11:21 AM

AI differences? I didn't notice any. Oh well I can beat enemies down no matter what so lol

Between those two get Unreal Gold. I don't even know what that 1st generation thing is.

Raynor.Z · 28th May 2012, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delacroix

...
UT has some modifications to Unreal's AI that make monster behavior just a tad different. Tiny details that change the experience.
...

Just out of curiosity, can you give some examples?

*Sir_Brizz* · 28th May 2012, 06:49 PM

Basically it doesn't cheat as much in dodging but cheats more in shooting.

Psychomorph · 28th May 2012, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delacroix

* Unreal Gold = Unreal + RTNP + UT's UnrealWindows interface.

This menu? Does it give you as many menu options as UT and more than original Unreal menu?

gopostal · 28th May 2012, 09:02 PM

Damn you guys for making me miss NaPali...

I tossed my coop server back up: 66.55.137.218:7777

It's coop with my custom controller built off the back of ccoop (full credits go to those guys, I just added some toys). Mapvote is enabled if you want to zap over to a particular pack/map. There are bound to be some odd bugs but it's a good server to explore on. You have some commands you can enter via console:
mutate guns
mutate trans
mutate light
mutate dark
mutate open
mutate close

Explore and have fun if you want to revisit.

leilei · 28th May 2012, 09:35 PM

Unreal but only the old 20# builds with the wimpy sounds and the dispersion particles.

Psychomorph · 28th May 2012, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leilei

Unreal but only the old 20# builds with the wimpy sounds and the dispersion particles.

Also run it in software mode, for oldschoolness.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gopostal

I tossed my coop server back up: 66.55.137.218:7777

I'll give it a try.

dinwitty · 29th May 2012, 07:45 PM

If you can play the original 200 build version, (original release) that has the reverb on. 227 patch might bring all that back. If no other do Unreal Gold, don't play the UT mods, experience the game as meant.

Give us any updates on your progress and if your stuck feel free to ask here.

pcube · 29th May 2012, 07:58 PM

U1 or UGold are both great, but if in the future you want to play online Gold will probably work more to your favor. Unreal1 version 226f has horrendous networking code from what I understand. 227 is also a good option. I use 227 as a client and don't have many issues with it.

Edit: DEFINITELY play the original Unreal over the UT-with-Unreal-content option. Unreal in UT just doesn't feel the same, especially with OldSkool (which is hack hell).

*Sir_Brizz* · 29th May 2012, 10:32 PM

224v sir. The only true version of Unreal.

[]KAOS[]Casey · 29th May 2012, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir_Brizz

224v sir. The only true version of Unreal.

Explain yourself.

224v has unoptimized netcode, LOD mesh for Moon1: a sphere{which results in numerous crashes depending on what mods are being used}, and broken case(switch) statements.

Am I missing something?

*Sir_Brizz* · 30th May 2012, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by []KAOS[]Casey

Explain yourself.

224v has unoptimized netcode, LOD mesh for Moon1: a sphere{which results in numerous crashes depending on what mods are being used}, and broken case(switch) statements.

Am I missing something?

Wat. 224v had the best netcode.... except for 227 probably. But anyway I'm mostly just joking. Surely the best way is to experience v200 the way it was meant to be played.

[]KAOS[]Casey · 30th May 2012, 12:22 AM

225f+ has NetUpdateFrequency which can be used to lower bandwith usage and increase update rate of particularly valuable actors such as PlayerPawn/Bot or Projectiles, and decrease the update rates of things like Barrels or lower priority things in order to give optimal gameplay for DM purposes. There's a mutator floating around somewhere that further modifies these values for minimal net traffic except where needed. This is the only visible change to my knowledge, among a slew of non visible(C++) changes that also made performance better.

The only real wtf about 200/220 is the old ass sounds. They're all generic and kind of whatever.(Some are awesome though) Makes you wonder if they just didn't have the budget for the newer ones or if there was some licensing issue.

dr.flay · 30th May 2012, 12:44 AM

Whichever you use, you should make sure you check OldUnreal for updates and addons for U1.
This includes Video and Audio renderers.
http://www.oldunreal.com/downloads.html
If you are using UT99, then check my updated version of their OMP pack.
http://my.opera.com/dr-flay/blog/unreal

You can then play either one, with the newer HiRes S3TC texture relacements, for a more glorious experience.

StalwartUK · 30th May 2012, 12:38 PM

I've tried running Unreal 200 before in glide wrappers but it always throws me out with a error message.

Too bad I'd like to play through Unreal with the old hardcore sounds and other cool things like dispersion particles and overpowered amplifiers.

dr.flay · 30th May 2012, 11:15 PM

@StalwartUK
You can.
Get the newer renderers

Psychomorph · 31st May 2012, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gopostal

I tossed my coop server back up: 66.55.137.218:7777

I tried to connect, but it's stuck at index.unr. I waited for as long as I could, but it didn't move.

28th May 2012, 10:47 AM	#1
Kerr Avon Registered User Join Date: Jan. 22nd, 2008 Posts: 167	Should I play Unreal Gold or Unreal: 1st Generation I've not played Unreal properly before (I gave it a go, but didn't get far, as I have so many games in my backlog), but I want to give it a proper go. But I've seen the Unreal Tournament mod 1st Generation ( http://www.moddb.com/mods/unreal-tou...1st-generation ), which says: "Unreal Tournament: 1st Generation is a Standalone Expansion Pack for Unreal Tournament, it includes Unreal and Unreal's Expansion Pack, this allows for new weapons like the Grenade Launcher, CAR and Rocket Launcher from Unreal: Return to Na Pali, UT1G does not require Unreal Tournament to run, no installation required either as it is a standalone, it is mod friendly, online capabilities to play against players on Unreal and Unreal Tournament, this mod features: All maps from Unreal, All Unreal Tournament Character models, Unreal and Unreal Tournament weapons, Singleplayer capability, Multiplayer capability, WORM mutator to allow you to choose either Unreal or Unreal Tournament Weapons. Good news to all Unreal fans of Nali Weapons, this mod is compatible with Nali Weapons 3." [copied and pasted from the moddb.com page] Anyway, as a (more or less) newcomer to Unreal, should I play the original game (I have the Unreal Gold pack), or UT + the 1st Generation mod? Logically, I'd imagine I should play Unreal Gold, as it's the original game, and I can always try the 1st Generation mod later, to see how they differ, but is the 1st Generation significantly better in any way that means I should play that instead of Unreal Gold? What differences are there between Unreal Gold, and 1st Generation? Is Unreal Gold different from the original release of Unreal (aside from the addition of the expansion pack?

28th May 2012, 11:05 AM	#2
Delacroix Successor of Almarion Join Date: Jan. 12th, 2006 Location: Warsaw, PL Posts: 729	Definitely Unreal Gold. UT has some modifications to Unreal's AI that make monster behavior just a tad different. Tiny details that change the experience. * Unreal Gold = Unreal + RTNP + UT's UnrealWindows interface. __________________ Alien Breed 3D Anniversary Project could use some help.

28th May 2012, 06:49 PM	#5
Sir_Brizz More Than Just Mad Skill Join Date: Feb. 3rd, 2000 Location: >:3 Posts: 25,290	Basically it doesn't cheat as much in dodging but cheats more in shooting. __________________ 64 65 61 74 68 62 6f 6f 67 65 72 73 20 6d 6f 74 68 65 72 20 6f 66 20 63 6f 75 72 73 65 Liandri Archives - A veritable smorgasbord of information about the Unreal series If Titanic taught me anything, it's to never let go until you're a frozen corpse staring hopelessly into a barren horizon.

28th May 2012, 09:35 PM	#8
leilei YES! YES! YES! Join Date: Jan. 20th, 2008 Posts: 324	Unreal but only the old 20# builds with the wimpy sounds and the dispersion particles. __________________ o^_^o

29th May 2012, 07:45 PM	#10
dinwitty DeRegistered User Join Date: Nov. 10th, 1999 Location: midwest,USA Posts: 807	If you can play the original 200 build version, (original release) that has the reverb on. 227 patch might bring all that back. If no other do Unreal Gold, don't play the UT mods, experience the game as meant. Give us any updates on your progress and if your stuck feel free to ask here. __________________ Home page in limbo, stay tuned.

28th May 2012, 09:02 PM	#7
gopostal Registered User Join Date: Jan. 19th, 2006 Posts: 591	Damn you guys for making me miss NaPali... I tossed my coop server back up: 66.55.137.218:7777 It's coop with my custom controller built off the back of ccoop (full credits go to those guys, I just added some toys). Mapvote is enabled if you want to zap over to a particular pack/map. There are bound to be some odd bugs but it's a good server to explore on. You have some commands you can enter via console: mutate guns mutate trans mutate light mutate dark mutate open mutate close Explore and have fun if you want to revisit.

29th May 2012, 07:58 PM	#11
pcube Registered User Join Date: Jun. 22nd, 2011 Posts: 6	U1 or UGold are both great, but if in the future you want to play online Gold will probably work more to your favor. Unreal1 version 226f has horrendous networking code from what I understand. 227 is also a good option. I use 227 as a client and don't have many issues with it. Edit: DEFINITELY play the original Unreal over the UT-with-Unreal-content option. Unreal in UT just doesn't feel the same, especially with OldSkool (which is hack hell). Last edited by pcube; 29th May 2012 at 07:59 PM.

29th May 2012, 10:32 PM	#12
Sir_Brizz More Than Just Mad Skill Join Date: Feb. 3rd, 2000 Location: >:3 Posts: 25,290	224v sir. The only true version of Unreal. __________________ 64 65 61 74 68 62 6f 6f 67 65 72 73 20 6d 6f 74 68 65 72 20 6f 66 20 63 6f 75 72 73 65 Liandri Archives - A veritable smorgasbord of information about the Unreal series If Titanic taught me anything, it's to never let go until you're a frozen corpse staring hopelessly into a barren horizon.

30th May 2012, 12:22 AM	#15
[]KAOS[]Casey 227 dev Join Date: May. 17th, 2009 Location: California Posts: 27	225f+ has NetUpdateFrequency which can be used to lower bandwith usage and increase update rate of particularly valuable actors such as PlayerPawn/Bot or Projectiles, and decrease the update rates of things like Barrels or lower priority things in order to give optimal gameplay for DM purposes. There's a mutator floating around somewhere that further modifies these values for minimal net traffic except where needed. This is the only visible change to my knowledge, among a slew of non visible(C++) changes that also made performance better. The only real wtf about 200/220 is the old ass sounds. They're all generic and kind of whatever.(Some are awesome though) Makes you wonder if they just didn't have the budget for the newer ones or if there was some licensing issue.

30th May 2012, 12:44 AM	#16
dr.flay Dr.Flay™ Join Date: Sep. 19th, 2011 Location: Kernow, UK Posts: 240	Whichever you use, you should make sure you check OldUnreal for updates and addons for U1. This includes Video and Audio renderers. http://www.oldunreal.com/downloads.html If you are using UT99, then check my updated version of their OMP pack. http://my.opera.com/dr-flay/blog/unreal You can then play either one, with the newer HiRes S3TC texture relacements, for a more glorious experience. __________________ http://my.opera.com/Unreal-Tournamen...nali-weapons-3 Unreal News Links: http://my.opera.com/Unreal-Tournament (The biggest Unreal news aggregator) Free Mashup music http://www.last.fm/label/Fishy+Business Small donations from the community will keep your UT-FILES safe, your redirects running, and your players happy.

30th May 2012, 12:38 PM	#17
StalwartUK Registered User Join Date: Feb. 12th, 2008 Location: England Posts: 151	I've tried running Unreal 200 before in glide wrappers but it always throws me out with a error message. Too bad I'd like to play through Unreal with the old hardcore sounds and other cool things like dispersion particles and overpowered amplifiers. __________________ StalwartUK My YouTube Channel

30th May 2012, 11:15 PM	#18
dr.flay Dr.Flay™ Join Date: Sep. 19th, 2011 Location: Kernow, UK Posts: 240	@StalwartUK You can. Get the newer renderers __________________ http://my.opera.com/Unreal-Tournamen...nali-weapons-3 Unreal News Links: http://my.opera.com/Unreal-Tournament (The biggest Unreal news aggregator) Free Mashup music http://www.last.fm/label/Fishy+Business Small donations from the community will keep your UT-FILES safe, your redirects running, and your players happy.

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