Oops... Once again.. all I ask...

briach · Sep 21, 2005

He meant rocket jumping, because they nerfed teh shieldgun in AS, so if rocket jumping was a viable alternative to hammer jumping then they'd nerf it in Conquest, because they nerfed stuff in AS ut2k4. I sure hope they don't nerf any movements in Conquest.

I personally think weapon boosting and risky advanced movements should have been one of the attractions to AS2k4, like ut99, but instead they nerfed AS trying to make it like CS or something. I say just make it the most insane experience as possible.

BooGiTyBoY · Sep 21, 2005

What he said!

edhe · Sep 22, 2005

Yeah but you have to balance that against exploitability. UT99 AS was fun, until the IH got exploited and maps were done in 15s flat without fragging.

I suppose as long as things are well scripted it shouldn't be as much of a problem. This is with AS maps is that they always tend to lack on the DM front too...

nuttella · Sep 22, 2005

He meant rocket jumping, because they nerfed teh shieldgun in AS, so if rocket jumping was a viable alternative to hammer jumping then they'd nerf it in Conquest, because they nerfed stuff in AS ut2k4. I sure hope they don't nerf any movements in Conquest.

I know exactly what he meant. My point is that such "adjustments" are crimes against nature.

I repeat: No Nerfing.

That is my one and only message to Epic and all concerned.

Thou shalt not nerf.

BooGiTyBoY · Sep 22, 2005

Yeah, I do agree with ya there... I loved the fact that when Eavy' came out with the AS Bonus Pack for UT it had maps that were actually designed with hammer jumping in mind. Made it part of the game instead of an "exploit."
Nerfing the gun's ability for a certain gametype has always seemed plain retarded to me. In fact one of the reasons I was so dissapointed in 2k4's AS mode was that they didn't incorporate the SG jump into the maps designs. So yeah... I retract my above statements saying nerf it for gametypes

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-AEnubis- · Sep 22, 2005

Especially with invisible blocking volumes, so many issues like this can be prevented by mappers.

Nemephosis · Sep 22, 2005

So it's true, people DO only want UT with better graphics.

Neophoenix · Sep 23, 2005

Nemephosis said:
So it's true, people DO only want UT with better graphics.

No, just similar movement and damage. I feel they weakened some of the weapons way too much. New content is awesome as long as it's thought out and implemented correctly.

Changes like DOM-> DDOM and UT99 AS-> UT2004 AS are examples of changes that were not thought out or implemented correctly.

nuttella · Sep 23, 2005

Neophoenix said:
No, just similar movement and damage. I feel they weakened some of the weapons way too much. New content is awesome as long as it's thought out and implemented correctly.

The combination of extra moves and weaker weapons in UT2kx so far just makes no sense. They give you the ability to dodge six rockets, then they cut it down to three, weaker ones.

But that's another topic.

-AEnubis- · Sep 23, 2005

I'd honestly just like UT with more balanced weapons. Frames and Gameplay are way more important than graphics, and I think we are starting to see the more detailed and life like graphics get, the more difficult it becomes to do things like, "distinguish a character model from a background."

Weapon balance has always been my draw to this game. The rest is just filler.

nuttella said:
The combination of extra moves and weaker weapons in UT2kx so far just makes no sense. They give you the ability to dodge six rockets, then they cut it down to three, weaker ones.

Yes.

I'm all about improoved gameplay, and changes, but if the changes actually are improovements. I like the way 2kx plays, but I still feel somethings about UT are way better. It becomes a lesser of two evils though: Put up with new 2kx stuff I don't like, or put up with what is now horridly unbalanced weapons in UT.

Again, Weapon balance is the draw for me.

LagMasterSam · Sep 23, 2005

I think all explosive weapons should have momentum transfer proportional to the damage they inflict on the user. A rocket should transfer a lot of momentum, but as a trade-off the player should also take a lot of damage.

As far the most "usefull" trick jumping weapons in UT2004 I would rank them like this.

1. Shield Gun
2. Bio Rifle
3. Assault Rifle / Shock Rifle (tie)

Of course, you can also use the Flak Cannon, Rocket Launcher, or even the Redeemer to perform a trick jump, but the results are not very impresive.

BooGiTyBoY · Sep 23, 2005

Welcome to teh BuF Lagmaster

I give your post a big ol' nod to teh postiveness.

Neophoenix · Sep 23, 2005

I think some of you are going to have to show me these so called trick jumps in ut2004. Because besides the shield jump, I have never seen anyone do a goo jump, shock jump, flak jump, or AR jump. Unless you are talking about the Excessive mutator.

BooGiTyBoY · Sep 23, 2005

here's some basic examples of goop/shock/flak

Basic jumps
(You need the dixv codec to view)

Neophoenix · Sep 23, 2005

BooGiTyBoY said:
yeaaah boy

404 error. the file you are trying to access was not found.

please return to jumpinjuggernuts.com or contact an admin.

Nice example

lol

briach · Sep 23, 2005

Neophoenix said:
Nice example lol

I could d/l it. Get a better browser.

lolz!

*edit* I was expecting more.

You should have added a little extra BooGiTy to the video, instead it was just basic jumps.

Trynant · Sep 23, 2005

I want jumping madness mutator that makes UC2 cringe with envy. Si.

Sorry BB, but rockets beat toast any day, even if said toast has apricrot preserves and butter.

BooGiTyBoY · Sep 23, 2005

briach said:
*edit* I was expecting more. You should have added a little extra BooGiTy to the video, instead it was just basic jumps.

BooGiTyBoY said:
here's some basic examples of goop/shock/flak

I don't wanna scare the boy off, I want him to see something he can try right off teh bat

.

And Trynant... what if it was... Rocket Toast?

Neophoenix · Sep 23, 2005

OK, I was finally able to dl the video and try the jumps out. Now my question is, why? The jumps don't make you go as high as a SG, and the flak is WAY too dangerous to even bother practicing with. So what’s the point of sharpening the skills needed to make goo/shock/flak jumps, when the SG is better suited for such tasks?

-AEnubis- · Sep 24, 2005

Well, most of the jumps you can do with some other weapons do less self damage. The 5 goo to the floor and shield up thing sustains no self-damage, and is equivalent to tap SG jump... you are 20 health better for it.

I'd imagine some of the other reap similar "less self damage" benefits, but mostly a lot of the trickier jumps are for show. You rarely see competive players using but a fraction of those trick jumps (IME).

Oops... Once again.. all I ask...

Rox jumping mutator/setting?

Rox jumping si!

Rox jumping no!

I still to this very day enjoy a good piece of toast.

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