American Handegg is racist!!!1!!1111
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Boring indeed. Still, I wonder how the story might be different if they were called the Washington Niggers.
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Even includes actual Native Americans, at least the few that I know don't care.
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I promise the majority of Native Americans probably don't even know what "redskins" means and wouldn't know they are supposed to be offended by it. I have lived on a reservation and this isn't being racist. They just aren't well educated and a lot of kids leave school before they are done with Junior High. If people want to improve things for the Native Americans, we are screwing them up so badly that it seems like changing a sports team name should be the least of their worries.
If you have to change the name of one team, you might as well change them all so we can be politically correct.
Here comes the Seattle Seagulls!
Here comes the Seattle Seagulls!
According to Wikipedia: "A bill was introduced in the US House of Representatives on March 20, 2013 to void any use of the redskins as a trademark. The primary sponsor, Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton (D., D.C.), stated she supports the local team but not the name."
How does the use of the name by a pro sports team be anything other than honoring Native Americans, as well their strength and fortitude?
How does the use of the name by a pro sports team be anything other than honoring Native Americans, as well their strength and fortitude?
That's US politics for you: Enforce political correctness in the country, no matter how stupid it is, but counter that by showing no respect at all for other countries. Potentially offensive sports team name? Let's rename it, regardless of how well-known it is. There's a dictator in a small country (without nuclear weapons, of course)? Let's bomb the entire country and leave it in ruins, the people will thank the US for bringing democracy!
Because the reservations are extremely poor areas plagued by alcoholism and unemployment, so there is a very strong culture of substance abuse, disregard for authority, etc. that leads to people not trying/caring about school and dropping out. You see this is most extremely poor areas in the US.
<- Fan of the team.
Political actionism: "Ideas please, we need to reduce racism in sports somehow." - "How about renaming teams with potentially offensive names?" - "Great, let's start with a well-known one, so people see we actually do something about this."
This exactly. They are stuck in a bad cycle brought on by increasing government subsidies, welfare programs targeted at Native Americans and a bunch of other reasons. If you knew your life was going to be taken care of for you and you could live however you wanted, what would you feel like doing?
Of course there are great examples of Native Americans breaking the cycle. But the problem is that they are a tiny, tiny minority of these people. What we've done to try to rectify our country's mistakes in the past have probably been worse than what we originally did to them simply because we have generations of Native Americans living and dying broken off from secular society and solely through the money we provide (through welfare/subsidies and also casinos). It's very depressing.
you realize that there's not a single Welfare program in the US that allows anyone to be "taken care of" enough to "live however" they want.
the anti-social and poor education issues that plague Indian reservations go MUCH deeper than government subsidies
Jacks, this isn't quite what he's getting at. Life on a reservation is pretty much the worst, as it's poor, with nothing around and no real opportunities. Money from welfare doesn't lead to a good life, but it does contribute enough that there are an unfortunate number of people just living off of it and it really helps to keep the regions depressed.
The biggest problem with it is that the reservations are 1) The only remaining bastian of rich, interesting and important cultures that have been largely wiped out and 2) desolate crap holes in the middle of nowhere (on purpose--thanks past US government) where there are few opportunities that can really be exploited to get ahead. What this means is that to succeed, you have to largely give up your culture and get the heck out of dodge, and go to school elsewhere, etc., and when you succeed, you certainly don't go back to the reservation because there is nothing to go back to, no jobs, no wealth, and no skilled labor force. This means that the talented individuals leave while the talentless, lazy butts stick around. The only real exception are those talented individuals that are fighting to preserve an important culture--but unfortunately, while they can do that, they can't also raise the standard of living for those around them.
Add on top of this the staggeringly awful racism that surrounds most reservations (a bunch of rednecks who started off with bad attitudes and who have largely only dealt with teenagers from the reservation being dicks, because that's what teens are), and it's not particularly wonderful, and it helps to keep things stagnant. The money they get is enough to live, but not enough to invest, and there is simply no infrastructure FOR investment. The only real opportunity is in casinos, which are a toxic environment, even if with some success.
I honestly have no idea what needs to be done, but it needs to be something more than throwing a living wage at large groups and turning our backs. The fact that a reservation is a craphole combined with the fact that it's culturally vital makes any real revitalization obscenely difficult, but to be honest the current system props up a model of failure, and that certainly isn't going to do doodly squat.
The biggest problem with it is that the reservations are 1) The only remaining bastian of rich, interesting and important cultures that have been largely wiped out and 2) desolate crap holes in the middle of nowhere (on purpose--thanks past US government) where there are few opportunities that can really be exploited to get ahead. What this means is that to succeed, you have to largely give up your culture and get the heck out of dodge, and go to school elsewhere, etc., and when you succeed, you certainly don't go back to the reservation because there is nothing to go back to, no jobs, no wealth, and no skilled labor force. This means that the talented individuals leave while the talentless, lazy butts stick around. The only real exception are those talented individuals that are fighting to preserve an important culture--but unfortunately, while they can do that, they can't also raise the standard of living for those around them.
Add on top of this the staggeringly awful racism that surrounds most reservations (a bunch of rednecks who started off with bad attitudes and who have largely only dealt with teenagers from the reservation being dicks, because that's what teens are), and it's not particularly wonderful, and it helps to keep things stagnant. The money they get is enough to live, but not enough to invest, and there is simply no infrastructure FOR investment. The only real opportunity is in casinos, which are a toxic environment, even if with some success.
I honestly have no idea what needs to be done, but it needs to be something more than throwing a living wage at large groups and turning our backs. The fact that a reservation is a craphole combined with the fact that it's culturally vital makes any real revitalization obscenely difficult, but to be honest the current system props up a model of failure, and that certainly isn't going to do doodly squat.
