2010: The Year of The Corporations?

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Larkin, but you can vote the politicians out. The only problem with politicians is the constituents' irresponsible-ness will give them the wrong signals. And if there is enough of an outcry, there could be impeachment proceedings on the matter.

Just some food for thought.
 

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You can vote out businessmen by not buying products from them?
 

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Larkin, but you can vote the politicians out. The only problem with politicians is the constituents' irresponsible-ness will give them the wrong signals. And if there is enough of an outcry, there could be impeachment proceedings on the matter.

Just some food for thought.

That is not really true.

First, almost never do politicians get impeached and when they do they usually stay right where they are. Remember, impeachment doesn't mean the person WILL be removed, but instead has the possibility of being removed.

Second, politicians don't listen to the people for their actions in this day and age. They vote on things to further their own interests and if the peoples wishes can give them a route to do such, they use that as an outlet.

As for voting them out it doesn't do much good if you don't change the peoples thoughts about who to vote for, what to look for in politicians, and what they want from government.

btw, I want to post this..[M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCdgv7n9xCY&feature=related[/M]
 
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What's this madness? Politicians and buisness owners are not really the same thing people, so unless you want to invent a new political system, in which companies run the country somehow, and you vote for them by buying products from their giftshop or something, then what's the point of this silly comparison you've got going here? :con:
 

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It'd better not to point out the stupidity because it's probably going to result in a further 3 pages at least.
 

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What's this madness? Politicians and buisness owners are not really the same thing people, so unless you want to invent a new political system, in which companies run the country somehow, and you vote for them by buying products from their giftshop or something, then what's the point of this silly comparison you've got going here? :con:

Because people are choosing government to control markets and their lives. When your life is far more free and you are far better off with a free market. Got it now?
 

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I'm not sure how most politicians are any different from businessmen. Both of them typically protect their own interests at any cost, and both of them screw over average joe whenever it suits them.
 

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Ok? Lets try this again..

One makes the system, the other follows the system.
The one must sell their product, the other just has to vote on it.
The one can control man, the other can just influence.
Politicians are in for themselves only and a businessman earns for societal development and themselves.
A businessman's job is measured by profit and growth and politicians is measured by what they can say and get people to believe.
A politician you don't have to vote for personally a businessman you have to.
One tries to expand its influence through work, the other tries to expand its influence through control.

The similarity you're talking about has far more to do with peoples stupidity than anything else. And atleast for business when they do it you can hold them accountable.
 
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Ok? Lets try this again..

One makes the system, the other follows the system.
The one must sell their product, the other just has to vote on it.
The one can control man, the other can just influence.
Politicians are in for themselves only and a businessman earns for societal development and themselves.
A businessman's job is measured by profit and growth and politicians is measured by what they can say and get people to believe.
A politician you don't have to vote for personally a businessman you have to.
One tries to expand its influence through work, the other tries to expand its influence through control.

-Generally true, but there is a feedback mechanism involved.

-No comment.

-There is a fine line dividing control and influence.

-For the next two: You claim that a business earns for societal development and themselves, but then you go on that they are measured by profit and growth (I assume you mean growth in the sense of their company/corporation's capital and size). It can be argued that the latter has nothing to do with societal development. Also politicians can create societal development though legislation.

-You don't have to vote for a politician personally? So going to voting booths and checking down the candidate's name isn't personal? (Yes we could go through the Electoral College technicalities, but that still doesn't discount the personable nature of it. Also how often do you directly interact with the owner of a business rather than just an employee?)

-Again, we have the fine line between influence and control. I don't know about you, but I see around me a much greater amount of influence from corporations than influence from politicians. What do you think advertisements are? Advertisements are influential pieces of media meant to subliminally control our spending habits. I'm not sure of the exact quantitative ratio between them, but the ratio of businessmen to politician influence is rather high. This is another reason why I believe that our current economic system is still here to stay, and that calls that the current economy is going to be "fundamentally changed" to a "socialist" regime are extremely ludicrous.

And atleast for business when they do it you can hold them accountable.

And we (assuming we are not stupid) can't hold politicians accountable? If they aren't doing their job, vote them out and vote someone in who will correct the problem. Sounds simple enough for me. The only difference is that for politicians you mostly vote with your voice/feelings and for businessmen you mostly vote with your dollar.

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Take home message: Pretty much the only real differences is how you vote/not vote for each party (dollar vs. voice), and what types of influence and control they have.

But in general, the stereotypical Businessman and Politician are how Brizz details.
 
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-You don't have to vote for a politician personally?
yes, but I didn't vote for obama and you probably didn't vote for bush. yet, we both have/had to live under them. any business/product you personally decide for yourself everytime (not every 2 - 6 yrs)
 
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Because people are choosing government to control markets and their lives. When your life is far more free and you are far better off with a free market. Got it now?

Don't be naive, there's never going to be a truely free market, even if you somehow got all the governments of the world to pull out (remeber, it's a global economy now), the corporations themselves would destroy it very quickly, they have nothing to gain from a free market, no, the money's not in healthy competition, quite the opposite..

You know why there doesen't exist a truely free and self-regulating market? it's because it doesen't work, it's a pipedream to rival Communism, and the Government constantly had to step in to prevent abuse, because the private sector has zero personal interest in a free market, it's not good for buisness, it keeps prices down instead of up, ohh no, it's no good at all, it's so much easier to just engage in price fixing, and so much more profitable too!


Now you're a man with a hardon for the constitution, yeah? then you must also realize that the real ingenious part of that piece of parchment is the checks and balances that are written into it, without thouse, it would all be worthless, it could all be easilly taken away, makes sense right?

Well ready your bowels for evacuation, because here comes a real chocker: The private sector? yeah, it too needs checks and balances, and for exactly the same reasons, if you want a free market, you don't ask the very people who has the least reason to protect it to be it's guardians, that's like asking a rabid Jackal to babysit your child.
 

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-For the next two: You claim that a business earns for societal development and themselves, but then you go on that they are measured by profit and growth (I assume you mean growth in the sense of their company/corporation's capital and size). It can be argued that the latter has nothing to do with societal development. Also politicians can create societal development though legislation.

Follow me here. A corporation hires people and makes lots of money. People profit. Those people buy goods and services. Other people profit. Good?

Also, politicians don't create **** and any development they allow or decree is funded by taking money from someone else.