Originally posted by RogueLeader
In other words, you say that it is justifiable to kill innocents because we do it. That is the nationalism I am talking about.
What the hell? At what point did I mention that it was allright to kill innocents because they're somehow not human, as you seem to claim "nationalism" to be, even though your definition is
completely fecked up.
My point was simple, but obviously not simple enough for you to grasp: There's a huge difference between targetting innocents, and going out of your way to ruthlessly kill them, and in the course of protecting your country, you accidently kill others as well.
Originally posted by RogueLeader
You are reducing casualities in that case. That is saving lives. Please tell me how we are reducing casualities in Afghanistan by killing nearly 4000 people. You must claim that those 4000 deaths have saved at least 4000 others, which cannot be claimed. We are actually increasing death beyond our immediate casualties by encouraging more attacks on ourselves.
First off, what the hell is up with you and these "facts" of yours. Those numbers keep changing all the time, one time it's 2000, then it's 3000, then it's 4000.
What the hell? How come only you seem and others who are well known for their bias in this situation, and have something to gain through outright lies such as this, are the only ones able to provide so called evidence that 4000 innocents have been killed?
Secondly, going after the Al Queda network is every bit the best strategy in reducing terrorist attacks against the United States, because every large scale terrorist attack against US interests, with the exception of the Oklahoma City Bombing, in the last decade, were on behalf of that organization.
And for a matter of fact, we have proof that Bin Laden's boys were on their way to obtaining the materials needed for Chemical, Biological and Nuclear weapons of mass destruction, which would result in tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands and eventually millions of American and World citizens to be at risk for a random attack.
So if a few hundred innocents (and even that number is pretty generous) lost their lives in an action which potects hundreds of millions of not only United States citizens, but citizens of other countries, then it's hardly the black and white "murder" issue you're trying to make it out to be.
Seriously guy, you really need to get out into the real world more often. Between these completely unfounded numbers of "innocents" being supposedly murdered, the rants about English torture, and any other number of baseless "facts" you like to bandy about, you'd do yourself good to travel around a bit and get exposed to how the world really works.
And this whole idea that the world must be black or white, and that even one innocent's death makes the United States evil, shows how easy it must be to label the men and women of the US Armed Forces as murderers while you sit back, safe, in the middle of Indiana, enjoying all the fruits of other's labors, safe to waste time on video games and forums while screaming about how others are evil.