How about those midterm elections?

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Crotale

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His main arguments stem around how the dilution and overabundance will make them not care. As we can see right now, however, representatives have so many constituents they do not care about any local concerns.

He also claims that a vocal minority who speaks well will convince the masses; yet this is a problem we have today anyway.

Honestly they do not do any work anyway (as useless as the House is); perhaps making them more accountable to their local electorate instead of the party will get things done.

Regardless, the system will always get gamed over time. Senators used to be elected by the state legislature as Brizz mentioned. This was changed during the progressive era to combat the rampant corruption of the late 1800's. ~100 years later and the system has broken down again. The elected represent their donors and party stance wholeheartedly.

Perhaps a new change is required. Maybe some of the basic operation needs be shuffled every few decades to keep everything in check. Maybe every 50 years how the senate is elected needs to be shuffled. Maybe we need term limits. Not that any of this would happen, because getting a amendment through our government today is almost unimaginable.

A new system would be exploited again some years down the road, and honestly, this system's premise and Constitutionally designed mechanics are not the problem. The system would work better if individuals become more engaged. Americans talk all day long that they want good representation and that the system is rigged. Well, they have the power to work towards unrigging it, to use the word unconventionally, but as we see almost every single election taking place outside a Presidential cycle, most voters fail to engage.

The lack of voters did not remove Democrats from office in this election; Democrats did not give their voters a reason to support them. Democrats have focused on matters that are of little interest to mainstream voters. Instead, they focused on fringe elements, which is the same thing that happened to the GOP several years ago.
 

Jacks:Revenge

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the GOP has been rigging districts through extreme Gerrymandering and adding voter restrictions for years. it's not a secret. it's a simple, concerted effort that is going to start working in terms of regional elections.

the GOP is not interested in expanding their voter base or making sure that more people have access to the poles. because they know that the more people who vote, the more elections they lose. they know that their ideas fall largely on deaf ears outside of the Old White Christian block, so they don't talk about their ideas, they just talk about the FEAR you should feel from the EVIL Democrats and the SCARY SOCIALISM that will kill your children.

no substance.
no turnout.

yet they claim to have a mandate from the American people.
the Republican party is fucking pathetic and you should be embarrassed to support it....

...but of course you're not. you just love to the win the little horse race.
 

Crotale

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I think it's great that you believe what you said there. Gerrymandering and voter restrictions are buzzwords part of the Dems fear tactics, same as the so-called "War on Women" that failed to spin up their base.

Have you considered it isn't so much the GOP that I support as much as it is the Democrat Party is the one that I distrust the most? Of course not, as that wouldn't enable you to take a personal attack on me for my choices.

The real difference for me isn't so much which ideology I most identify with, but the fact that Democrats have proven themselves to be the perennial group whose mantra is "The end always justifies the means," as in it is acceptable to circumvent the established legal and constitutional processes to achieve their goals.
 

Crotale

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Name calling. How quaint.

Gerrymandering does has it positives. Major metropoltian areas in an individual state could and have canceled out the vote of all the lesser populated districts. The latter ends up with no voice, thus, redistricting is a tool actually built into the Constitution. Partisan gerrymandering is difficult to prove, and even when it is proven, it generally aligns with the general ideology or parry affiliation of that district.

By the way, Democrats were trying to commit racial gerrymandering in Maryland to restructure minority districts into several white districts in 2011, not to mention their use of gerrymandering to oust two Republicans from the House in 2002.
 

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Don't mention it, I love to help. I should have worded it differently though. Instead of "fixed that" it should have been "made that more obvious". Oh well, I'm only human.
 

Jacks:Revenge

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Name calling. How quaint.
brushing off blatant facts and changing the subject.
how quaint.

you've learned much from the Sith Lord Master.

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Sir_Brizz

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The only way to even try to fix the Senate is to add term limits. We shouldn't have incumbents in office for decades. They lose touch with their constituents after that much time.
 

Crotale

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The only way to even try to fix the Senate is to add term limits. We shouldn't have incumbents in office for decades. They lose touch with their constituents after that much time.

This is the only enforceable method of change, although it doesn't prevent certain already noted abuses, it would help to mitigate their effects.
 

Sir_Brizz

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This is the only enforceable method of change, although it doesn't prevent certain already noted abuses, it would help to mitigate their effects.
I agree it is not a perfect solution but people like Harry Reid, Orrin Hatch, and dozens of other senators that have been in the Senate for 40+ years are causing more problems than they solve.