man half-life was so much better than quake2.. and ut is way better than quake3. the graphics in quake3 are good they just don't make any good maps. and the reason i have always liked half-life and ut is because you don't have to have a rocket launcher to dominate the map.. all the weapons are great and kill anyone.(even if they have a rocket launcher..) in quake3 if you don't have a rocket then your dead... thats what always bothered me about quake.