Should illegal immigrants get free college?

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Should they get free college?

  • Yes (unconditional), on the grounds that they need education to get out of poverty.

    Votes: 3 6.1%
  • Yes, if they meet high school education requirements (eg. a 2.0 GPA etc.)

    Votes: 3 6.1%
  • No, they should pay for it themselves.

    Votes: 29 59.2%
  • No, other reasons (post below)

    Votes: 14 28.6%

  • Total voters
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Ferd

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[FO]Crafty said:
This may sound just a tad harsh but this would all be solved very quickly if America would just get tougher on punishing illegals. I have simple solution if you get caught crossing the border you get shot on the spot no trial no jury you do not pass go you die. I think it would stop about 80% of the illegal crossings we have after they see we mean business.
Already, around 200 illegals that try to cross die per year on the Mexican/US frontier...



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Here in Buenos Aires, any living person that sets foot in our city has the rightto be taken care by a doctor in any of our public hospitals, last 4 years we had 100% of medical cover in Buenos Aires(Capital city)
And the University of Buenos Aires is for free, to any citizen....... Legal citizen of Buenos Aires and the rest of Argentina.
 

MetalMickey

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TossMonkey said:
Here in britain primary education is free, but secondary isn't.

Er, what? Secondary education is free in Britain.

Crafty said:
Sam why are you so bitter at Americans?

People who advocate mass executions without trial, even of lowly mexican immigrants, tend to evoke distaste. This is news to you?
 
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Zarkazm

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MetalMickey said:
People who advocate mass executions without trial, even of lowly mexican immigrants, tend to evoke distaste. This is news to you?
Nazis like them.
 

[FO]Crafty

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Wait so Mexicans are now lowly? And also who was saying I was just talking about Mexicans? I also wasn't speaking just about this thread I was asking in general I have seen a lot of his posts are just about bashing Americas government people and basically the way we live so I was just asking it in general to his way of thinking. Guess next time I will have to be more specific.
 
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Assymilator

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Since my back-up arguments have already been summed up by others, I'm just going to be "Basic Billy" and say that illegal immigrants shouldn't be able to get free school, or have any but the basic rights period. If they're not going to pay taxes, they shouldn't have the ability to do anything.
 

Nickelass

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why i the hell would they give free college to someone how broke our laws. nothing about it makes since. especially since they arent even citizens. lets all give free guns to serial killers!!! :rolleyes:
 

TossMonkey

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MetalMickey said:
Er, what? Secondary education is free in Britain.
People who advocate mass executions without trial, even of lowly mexican immigrants, tend to evoke distaste. This is news to you?
I meant Foundation education is free and further education isnt.

I don't believe in taking a life just because they stepped on your land. Thats wrong. You punish people properly, if they step on your land without permision you should ship 'em off to a remote island... like we did with the aussies. ;)
 

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Deep's two cents:

If they're illegal immigrants, get them out of the country. They have no right being there in the first place so why give them free stuff other than a free boot (out of the door).
 

Rodzilla

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I never understood the whole "looking out for illegal immigrans" thing. It's all a load of bull****, and it's rather simple why....look at 50% of the phrase: illegal. That means they have NO RIGHTS. Period. So free college? Yea, right. They should be lucky to still be in the country.
 

ZenPirate

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While I agree that illegal immigrants shouldn't get benefits regular Americans don't get, a bit of caution should be observed.
..and I quote:
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me.
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

That said, I have long advocated a more socialized system here in the US. If we have to pay taxes why not have something to show for them. I think we should welcome folks into this country that want to contribute to society, and make there lives better. The only free education they should get is that of someone trying to become a citizen. Teach them English, teach them how the US system works. That is what we should be doing.
 

BillyBadAss

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to be honest... i just to have to look around to see more waste of tax money then any imigrant could cause. ppl are complaining about like 1000 germans who benefit from the wellfare system while living in a foreign country while our politicans build a new sauna for the parliament. i see roads leading to nowhere which have been build for the one and only reason to justify the budged of the state. i see one third of the german poppulation being paid less while working longer for the reason to "make east germany more atractive to investors" - yet you get even paid less in the ****ing army, and its not like there are that many concurenting armys here. i see our loved füh ... erm chancellor build the worlds biggest gouvernmental office (about eight times as big as the white house). there is just too much wrong to make me care about a few imigrants benefiting from my tax money. the sick politics are wasting billions of euros, why should i care about a few millions actually spend for a good porpuse. shure it wouldn't get better if they don't get any education, i think we all can agree on that. its their parrents who imigrated, not the children - if you don't educate them they'll never be able to pay any taxes.

Please don't tell me how rough you Germans have it. I think 6 weeks vacation isbetter than what most of the world gets.:rolleyes: I think it is great to help out the rest of the world with my hard earned money, but as a tax payer, I would like to see Americans that can't afford an education go for free first.
 
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Kaligraphic

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General health care should be provided based solely on current geographic location (i.e., hospitals/clinics should be subsidized by local/maybe state government) because this would inhibit the spread of disease. This is a simple matter of the public interest.

Drivers licenses should only be available to citizens, resident aliens, and (shorter-term) to verified legal nonresident aliens. Providing them to illegal aliens - completely bypassing documentation - would simply make it all too easy to quickly establish multiple legal identities. Allowing people to get legitimate drivers licenses would render the "other use" (i.e. as state-defined primary means of identification) essentially moot. Again, it is a simple matter of the public interest.

Education is important, but it is provided as a function of the political unit (I would say "State", but I refer to the generic meaning, and not the more specific meaning common, for instance, in the United States), which, theoretically, is an abstraction of the citizenry. As an abstraction of the citizenry, the State/political unit's primary responsibility is to the citizenry which it represents. Mechanisms already exist which have the aim of allowing one to join the citizenry, so one can hardly claim exclusion from the benefits of the State if one does not become a member of the State. We're not talking about helots here, we're talking about people who legally are (typically) members of other States/political units. England has no responsibility to provide education to Japan, nor Japan to England. Their responsibilities are to their own people.

*edit* Just thought to mention - technically, if a child is born in the U.S., Jus Solis provisions apply and the child can claim U.S. citizenship. */edit*
 
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Warm Pudgy

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my solution is very politcaly incorrect

we need to start shooting them on sight, that'll teach the others to stop coming over
 
I see it as so:

I work hard to get into a respectable college. I meet all the requirements, and send in the application:

"Sorry there Beeb, while you are qualified to enroll at our fine campus, our caucasian to "other" ratio is much too high. We need more ethnic diversity. Better luck next time."

I later learn that the person who got in instead of me is highly unqualified, and got in merely based on the color of his skin. If that isnt racism, I dont know what is.

So, to answer your question:

No.
 

bobtheking

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we can't have free healthcare in this country because the quality of health is so incredibly ****ty. it would punish healthy people sooo bad. if more than 1% of health care went to un-preventable health care problems (accidents), instead of ridiculous things that take 10 minutes of exercise per day and getting rid of mcdonalds to prevent, it would work.
 

Hadmar

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>>Dady, who is that man over there?<<
>>Oh that's..., hey, that's an illegal immigrant!<<
>>What is an illegal immigrant, dady?<<
>>A target.<<
>>Why?<<
>>Becouse they don't have any rights.<<
*BANG*
>>Yeeha! One trophy head more for the wall!<<
 

BlAcK_PlAgUe22

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beerbaron said:
I see it as so:

I work hard to get into a respectable college. I meet all the requirements, and send in the application:

"Sorry there Beeb, while you are qualified to enroll at our fine campus, our caucasian to "other" ratio is much too high. We need more ethnic diversity. Better luck next time."

I later learn that the person who got in instead of me is highly unqualified, and got in merely based on the color of his skin. If that isnt racism, I dont know what is.

So, to answer your question:

No.

reverse descrimination :)
 

usaar33

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beerbaron said:
"Sorry there Beeb, while you are qualified to enroll at our fine campus, our caucasian to "other" ratio is much too high. We need more ethnic diversity. Better luck next time."

No.

Last time I checked, racial quotas were illegal.
(At least in the United States. And definitely at public schools)