Monsanto wants to capitalize on a collapse and a return to agriculture

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Bayer has been killing bees with their spray for decades now. The Earths population is out of control and we can not sustain it any longer. What would you have them do?

People have the "right" to have as many kids as they want with no regard for the future. It's ok for us to enforce population control on lesser animals, but when it comes to us (excluding China... who have it right) it's ok.

They (Monsanto)know that the world can not sustain it's current human population for food, so why not make money off it. We are constantly destroying our future one day at a time. Monsanto says "we can fix this for a price". It's only a temporary fix. The first GMO food was back in 1995. Has it harmed people? Nobody knows 100% for sure. Why? Many reasons. As a personal opinion, much like the oil and gas industry, they fudge the numbers. If people actually knew about the products they put into their body, then that company would never make money. This is of course excluding the people that just don't give a shit.

The world in it's current state will not and can not support a 7.2 billion people populous that is rising every day. Forget about everyone having a decent life because of over population, the food supply can't keep up because we don't take just "what we need". We take what we want and let someone else fix the issue. There are laws that prevent us from doing otherwise (and I'll give you a few guesses as to where those laws came from)

So what's the issue with Monsanto? Just like any other corporation, their only interest is money and they don't care how they make it. Do you really care? Would you rather have a GMO tomato that lasts for 2 weeks that came from Brazil for $0.38, or would you rather spend the time to have a garden of your own, living off the land and doing all that work?

Monsanto exists because people have become lazy and don't care anymore.

What are you going to do about it?
 

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Bayer has been killing bees with their spray for decades now. The Earths population is out of control and we can not sustain it any longer. What would you have them do?

Oh. Let me guess why ... would it have anything to do with perpetual growth and having to pay humongous amounts of debt off so someone somewhere can keep their passive income machine going ? That and people in the third world getting continually shafted to foot the bill for our debt and inflation - that we ourselves are taking a hit from - and needing many offspring to support them in old age ?

Ah shit. Let's just take a bash at the symptoms shall we and get into some genocide. Stupid people reproducing like rabbits. Let's have another world war and pretend nothing happened.

People have the "right" to have as many kids as they want with no regard for the future. It's ok for us to enforce population control on lesser animals, but when it comes to us (excluding China... who have it right) it's ok.

Does not concern western countries. Population growth has been declining for a while and has only been kept up by immigration. Refer to previous comment to understand what the nature of the problem is in the third world.

They (Monsanto)know that the world can not sustain it's current human population for food, so why not make money off it. We are constantly destroying our future one day at a time. Monsanto says "we can fix this for a price". It's only a temporary fix. The first GMO food was back in 1995. Has it harmed people? Nobody knows 100% for sure. Why? Many reasons. As a personal opinion, much like the oil and gas industry, they fudge the numbers. If people actually knew about the products they put into their body, then that company would never make money. This is of course excluding the people that just don't give a shit.

They (Monsanto) as well as many big fortunes very well know there will be a shift back to agriculture in the event of a financial collapse. It never was about solving the world's problems. That's why there's purchasing of land left and right as well as in Africa. They want a piece of the green gold. The rest is irrelevant. Piece the picture together man. It's about putting people into dependence, taking freedoms away to put a price tag on them and not about fixing stuff.

The world in it's current state will not and can not support a 7.2 billion people populous that is rising every day. Forget about everyone having a decent life because of over population, the food supply can't keep up because we don't take just "what we need". We take what we want and let someone else fix the issue. There are laws that prevent us from doing otherwise (and I'll give you a few guesses as to where those laws came from)

Duh. No need to be a scientist to know that. 7.2 billion people is great for keeping the crazy train going. Let's loan out to another African country that can never pay back shall we and wait for the $$$ on interest. Oh and let's shaft our own countrymen and continue the same crap in Asia while we're at it.

So what's the issue with Monsanto? Just like any other corporation, their only interest is money and they don't care how they make it. Do you really care? Would you rather have a GMO tomato that lasts for 2 weeks that came from Brazil for $0.38

Why grow tomatos at all ? How about a tomato made of cardboard ? As long as it tastes like the real thing who gives a toss about people having to feed themselves or stay in good shape.

Yes, just like "any other corporation" with a size the likes of which you can probably count on your fingers. And with an influence so strong they can push legislation through Washington and the EU commission. Any estimate on when they own a 100% of government and start telling us what to do ?

or would you rather spend the time to have a garden of your own, living off the land and doing all that work?

Guess what I'm going to do with some seeds I purchased this week.

Monsanto exists because people have become lazy and don't care anymore.

True dat. So lazy and self-absorbed they don't realize their freedom of choice is being taken away from them.

WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH.

What are you going to do about it?

Rant until you get sick of it.
 
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No, forget that idea about using cardboard. There's a much better idea. How about making food out of human shit ? That's an awesome idea. Hmm, so nice, so tender with lumps, cleaned with some ever so healthy amonnia and filled with hormones from medication. Coming soon to a kitchen near you.

[m]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDvSPQ7megQ[/m]

Oh about there not being enough food.

If we produce enough food to feed everyone in the world, why don't we?
 
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Zur

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Yup. That we can agree on. And many problems come from the way money is managed. Money is not an exchange medium, it's a virtual prison for humanity as a whole.
 
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Aren't these the same guys that claim any corn you grow off of their seeds is still theirs, even if said corn is a dozen generations from the original planting?

Monsanto engineers their seeds so that the plants wont produce any seeds so you are forever stuck with buying from monsanto, year for year. However, if monsanto has a crop near one of your old school crops and through pollination their genetic material mixes with the material from your own seeds and they can prove with gene testing that some of their patented genes are in your crops your crops belong to them. This is for crops your family might've been breeding and selecting for hundreds of years. fuck big money and their greedy ways.
 
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It's ok for us to enforce population control on lesser animals, but when it comes to us (excluding China... who have it right) it's ok.
well I wouldn't say that China "has it right" just yet...

China's one-child policy has led to a gross imbalance in their society.
right now there's about 50 million MORE men than women in their country.
 

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From Michael Specter's TED talk The Danger of Science Denial:

About 12 years ago, there was a story published, a horrible story, that linked the epidemic of autism to the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine shot. Very scary. Tons of studies were done to see if this was true. Tons of studies should have been done; it's a serious issue. The data came back. The data came back from the United States, from England, from Sweden, from Canada, and it was all the same: no correlation, no connection, none at all. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter because we believe anecdotes, we believe what we see, what we think we see, what makes us feel real. We don't believe a bunch of documents from a government official giving us data, and I do understand that, I think we all do. But you know what? The result of that has been disastrous. Disastrous because here's a fact: The United States is one of the only countries in the world where the vaccine rate for measles is going down. That is disgraceful, and we should be ashamed of ourselves. It's horrible. What kind of a thing happened that we could do that?

Now, the most mindless epidemic we're in the middle of right now is this absurd battle between proponents of genetically engineered food and the organic elite. It's an idiotic debate. It has to stop. It's a debate about words, about metaphors. It's ideology, it's not science. Every single thing we eat, every grain of rice, every sprig of parsley, every Brussels sprout has been modified by man. You know, there weren't tangerines in the garden of Eden. There wasn't any cantaloupe. There weren't Christmas trees. We made it all. We made it over the last 11,000 years. And some of it worked, and some of it didn't. We got rid of the stuff that didn't. Now we can do it in a more precise way -- and there are risks, absolutely -- but we can put something like vitamin A into rice, and that stuff can help millions of people, millions of people, prolong their lives. You don't want to do that? I have to say, I don't understand it.

We object to genetically engineered food. Why do we do that? Well, the things I constantly hear are: Too many chemicals, pesticides, hormones, monoculture, we don't want giant fields of the same thing, that's wrong. We don't companies patenting life. We don't want companies owning seeds. And you know what my response to all of that is? Yes, you're right. Let's fix it. It's true, we've got a huge food problem, but this isn't science. This has nothing to do with science. It's law, it's morality, it's patent stuff. You know science isn't a company. It's not a country. It's not even an idea; it's a process. It's a process, and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, but the idea that we should not allow science to do its job because we're afraid, is really very deadening, and it's preventing millions of people from prospering.
 

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From Michael Specter's TED talk The Danger of Science Denial:

Way to overshoot. This is not about modifying DNA, this thread is about legal handling(you checked out Zurs' link, right?)
(though the argument put forth by you is horrible. inserting dna from one organism into another is NOT comparable to selective breeding.)

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It’s unbelievable, but Monsanto and Co. are at it again. These profit-hungry biotech companies have found a way to gain exclusive control over the seeds of life – the source of our food. They’re trying to patent away varieties of our everyday vegetables and fruits like cucumber, broccoli and melons, virtually forcing growers to pay them for seed and risk being sued if they don’t.

But we can stop them from buying up Mother Earth. Companies like Monsanto have found loopholes in European law to have exclusive rights over conventional seeds, so we just need to close them shut before they set a dangerous global precedent. And to do that, we need key countries like Germany, France and the Netherlands -- where opposition is already growing -- to call for a vote to stop Monsanto’s greedy plans. The Avaaz community has shifted governments before, and we can do it again.

Many farmers and politicians are already against this -- we just need to bring in people power to pressure these countries to keep Monsanto’s hands off our food. Sign now and share with everyone to help build the biggest food defense call ever.
 
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well I wouldn't say that China "has it right" just yet...

China's one-child policy has led to a gross imbalance in their society.
right now there's about 50 million MORE men than women in their country.

I'd argue that that is an issue of culture rather than specifically the policy - it's the culture that needs reversing...


In any case, there's plenty of food to go around. Trouble is folks don't want to eat it. Bugs and Algae go a heck of a long way.
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/14/business/monsanto-victorious-in-genetic-seed-case.html?_r=0

Farmers who buy Monsanto’s patented seeds must generally sign a contract promising not to save seeds from the resulting crop, which means they must buy new seeds every year. The seeds are valuable because they are resistant to the herbicide Roundup, itself a Monsanto product.

Most of the bitching is from asshole farmers who want to essentially pirate seeds for next year's crop without paying for them. I'm not denying that Monsanto has shitty contractual obligations, but if you want to grow shit for a living suck it up and do it the old fashioned way if you don't want to deal with enormous corporations. Don't expect handouts from one.

So that petition is stupid. Monsanto invented the seeds by paying researchers to genetically modify them. They're not digging up plants and claiming ownership like the petition likes to paint things.

The whole thing is retarded anyway since traditional crop farming isn't even close to being a sustainable business. It depends on the weather and other factors that no one can control. Monsanto will stop mattering so much once newer tech like aeroponics become commonplace.
 

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You serious? The question here is if you should be able to patent something that is "alive". If you can patent a seed, can you then patent a human?

Also, Monsanto IS claiming ownership of the product of their seeds. They have sued many local farmers out of existence for having plants grown from or produced in concert with their seeds. They are pretty much the most despicable company in the world. Have you seen Food, Inc? The day you start to see Monsanto "matter less" is the day you will also see Monsanto make sure that doesn't happen.
 

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You serious? The question here is if you should be able to patent something that is "alive". If you can patent a seed, can you then patent a human?

Also, Monsanto IS claiming ownership of the product of their seeds. They have sued many local farmers out of existence for having plants grown from or produced in concert with their seeds. They are pretty much the most despicable company in the world. Have you seen Food, Inc? The day you start to see Monsanto "matter less" is the day you will also see Monsanto make sure that doesn't happen.

This is my gripe about Monsanto. How can you patent a self-replicating, totally autonomous, essentially a wild living thing, that has the inevitable chance of dispersing and mixing with the local population?

Imagine two farmers living side-by-side. One has Monsanto seed, another has their own generic private variety. This year, bees have picked up pollen from the Monsanto flowers and deposited it onto the non-Monsanto plants. The second then harvests the seeds of the plants like he normally does every year, which will be used for next season. None the wiser (the farmers never talk about what type of seed they use), what the second farmer did was store and reuse generic-Monsanto hybrid seeds. Should this farmer be punished?

And good point with the Humans. Suppose you have cancer, and have an experimental gene therapy which not only kills the cancer cells, but replaces all of your defective cancer-prone genes with the cancer-free proprietary genes. You then have a child, who will have portions of the new genes. Should you, or your child, be punished?
 

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You serious? The question here is if you should be able to patent something that is "alive". If you can patent a seed, can you then patent a human?

Also, Monsanto IS claiming ownership of the product of their seeds. They have sued many local farmers out of existence for having plants grown from or produced in concert with their seeds. They are pretty much the most despicable company in the world. Have you seen Food, Inc? The day you start to see Monsanto "matter less" is the day you will also see Monsanto make sure that doesn't happen.

I don't think anyone should be able to patent anything. I also think the stock market is a horrible idea, but this is the world we live in. Patenting human life is only a matter of time.

I used to work at Monsanto btw. It's HQ is right down the road from where I live. It's as bad as you think it is.