this should speed up healthcare reform???

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God, you guys are really being very predictable with your responses. If it is wrong anywhere and you wish to share why then please do so. Otherwise, shut up. It is of little value what your options are on the author, only the material.
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Well the material is only theoretical. That is what philosophers are, they are theoreticians. If philosophy only produces facts, then why do we still have philosophers?

What is good on paper isn't necessarily good in practice, as we have beaten to death in previous posts and threads. So what Ayn Rand said could be wrong.

Another thing, Ayn Rand said that she was an advocate of egoism, along the lines as Lizard said that she was an elitist.

And you say that money is the root of what is good. So I guess using money in bribes, and using money to fund extremist groups is good.

But I must say that money is a very powerful tool. But we must also be very responsible with it.
 
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That aka theory as you want to call it has very much proven itself right over history. I know you want to say, but, but, it could be this or could be that, but history doesn't support you. No matter of buts coming from you will make it so. What it says is going to happen is happening...look around you.

What is good on paper isn't necessarily good in practice, as we have beaten to death in previous posts and threads. So what Ayn Rand said could be wrong.
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Which it just happens to be proven by history.

And you say that money is the root of what is good. So I guess using money in bribes, and using money to fund extremist groups is good.
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If you bothered to read the quote you would see this is covered.

What you throw my way is not a real argument or a real rebuttal to anything in the quote.
 
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FuLLBLeeD said:
I wouldn't say you're heartless. Misinformed maybe.
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Oh right because taking from me in force to give to yourself is ME being heartless. Just like its somehow me being SELFISH if I don't wish it to be so.

Please spare me.

If you knew anything about how your little practices work you would see I'm not the one being heartless or selfish here.
 
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Oh right because taking from me in force to give you yourself is ME being heartless. Just like its somehow me being SELFISH if I don't wish it to be so.

Please spare me.
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This just tells me you have a lack of understanding of the system. You already pay for public services with your tax dollars.

Chances are you're taxes won't increase anyway, unless you make more than $250,000 a year.
 
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FuLLBLeeD said:
This just tells me you have a lack of understanding of the system. You already pay for public services with your tax dollars.

Chances are you're taxes won't increase anyway, unless you make more than $250,000 a year.
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Public services doesn't include giving to you with nothing in return ****head.

And the last line just shows how much you pay attention. For ****sakes know the facts before you spit at me drivel like that.
 
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Public services doesn't include giving to you with nothing in return ****head.

And the last line just shows how much you pay attention. For ****sakes know the facts before you spit at me drivel like that.
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Well I regret to inform you I have driven on roads and I think someone in my family called the police once terribly sorry for wasting money you gave to me sir.

edit: this is getting really boring i'm going to go play god of war or something you know that your costs won't increase right if anything they'll get cheaper
 
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Well I regret to inform you I have drive on roads and I think someone in my family called the police once terribly sorry for wasting money you gave to me sir.
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everyone uses those ****head and guess what everyone sees a return. Try to fail less.

Try to compare things that are similar.
 
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FuLLBLeeD said:
Current health insurance is bull****
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NEWS FLASH! Almost everyone you are arguing with agrees with this point.

Health insurance is messed up, but if reforming insurance ruins any aspect of the healthcare industry outside of insurance, you're willing to deal with that?
 
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edit: this is getting really boring i'm going to go play god of war or something you know that your costs won't increase right if anything they'll get cheaper
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Really? So let me get this straight taxing the **** out of the industry will somehow lower cost. Brainwashed much?

And you know what else, paying my way and yours doesn't lower my costs.
 
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The only difference between a thief and what we talk of is the thief doesn't ask me to sanction his act.
 
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Okay, this argument, is ridiculous, but I'm going to have to respond to the Ayn Rand crap. Firstly, that book is one of the worst books of all history.

Oh, see, rich people just love working, love it love it love it; solely for the love of doing a good job. If they left, the economy would collapse because anyone who doesn't believe in laissez faire capitalism is a leach who actually hates other people. The rich people would form a utopia where everything is perfect in a valley of the rich and they would go from railroad tycoons to grocers and they would excel at it and they would love it. Do you know why? Because they just love doing a good job. If everyone were selfish, it would solve all problems and no hunger would happen and everything would be wonderful. It is an absurd philosophy which has no basis in reality supported by cardboard characters to somehow justify it.

As for the quote, it is a series of strawman arguments that constantly misses the point. Anyone of reason knows that money is simply a thing and that a thing is just a thing. We also know what love is. The quote, which is overused, refers to greed and the depths to which people will go to in trying to fulfill their greed. In failing to realize (or choosing to ignore) the simple meaning of the quote, Rand then goes onto a spiel which validates such destructive greed. To wit, the Ayn Rand institute holds up Standard Oil as one of the greatest things ever and preaches how the EVIL socialists have unjustly demonized a great company. It's pretty sad, really.

I still say this thread ended with the Nazi video.

~Jason
 
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dragonfliet said:
Oh, see, rich people just love working, love it love it love it; solely for the love of doing a good job. If they left, the economy would collapse because anyone who doesn't believe in laissez faire capitalism is a leach who actually hates other people.
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This doesn't help you.

The rich people would form a utopia where everything is perfect in a valley of the rich and they would go from railroad tycoons to grocers and they would excel at it and they would love it. Do you know why? Because they just love doing a good job. If everyone were selfish, it would solve all problems and no hunger would happen and everything would be wonderful. It is an absurd philosophy which has no basis in reality supported by cardboard characters to somehow justify it.
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In order for this to be wrong so greatly as you hope the opposite would have to have some sort of value. People that do not add anything to society clearly do not add value to society or give anything back therefore only the productive have a chance of adding anything. Therefore you must have some sort of tool that is present that enables this behavior. It is not about rich people as you say, its about production. Its also not about utopia, its about the best solution and the understanding that people must have something to deal with each other. A Utopia doesn't exist and that quote is not about any sort of utopia.

As for the quote, it is a series of strawman arguments that constantly misses the point.
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Like yours then?

Anyone of reason knows that money is simply a thing and that a thing is just a thing.
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Oh I would love to hear the reasoning behind this jewel.

We also know what love is. The quote, which is overused, refers to greed and the depths to which people will go to in trying to fulfill their greed. In failing to realize (or choosing to ignore) the simple meaning of the quote, Rand then goes onto a spiel which validates such destructive greed. To wit, the Ayn Rand institute holds up Standard Oil as one of the greatest things ever and preaches how the EVIL socialists have unjustly demonized a great company. It's pretty sad, really.
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Greed is not always bad. You are on the assumption that it is. Which is not the case. Without greed you my friend wouldn't be here arguing this. You also must realize that socialism is about greed and power pure and simple while capitalism is about the understanding that production and property is what is going to make men greater then they are. Socialism does nothing more then take which it says very clearly in the quote you hate so and fail to argue against. If you believe that socialism and production go together then please share how that is possible.

Btw, I knew all you guys had was the greed argument. Get new material. You can't say that money is evil because of greed. Greed =/= money. Until you guys realize this then I fear you will never break from your broken record. Money does not make greed, it does not give birth to greed, it does not breed greed, It lives with greed like all other things on the earth. Money is the tool that channels greed into production.
 
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