Poll - All weapons fire bullets idea

Hyrage · Jul 21, 2008

I just said, if we implement weapons firing bullets we would have to rebalance the health system. Just think to CoD4 with a ridiculously fast three shots in the body that kills in less than a second.

Gears of War (the pistol) had a good balance with 4 headshots and 6-8 bodyshots.
Halo 2-3 (with Battle Rifles) is actually having a good flow, but unfortunately your first three shots are absorbed by the Energy Shield what can't be counted as a headshot.

JohnDoe641 · Jul 21, 2008

Most of my shots take one or two hits to kill rather quickly, so I don't see a need to change anything.

*edit BTW Do you not understand that changing the series weaponry negates what makes the Unreal series.... the Unreal series? ;c

BobTheBeheader · Jul 21, 2008

Hyrage: You change the weapons, you change the game. The weapons have been relatively the same, unchanged, for over a decade now, and they're what make Unreal what it is.

Change that, and you'll have to change the name of the game. You won't be making the game better by changing the weapons around... you'll be making a whole new game, one that ISN'T Unreal.

Hyrage · Jul 21, 2008

Well not a big deal if we could get a better Tournament game, but this isn't what I'm going to debate here.

You are happy with no reloading, what I think is an essential key to a shooter game.
You are happy with the limited gunplay that UT3 actually gives, nothing wrong with that.

But any mecanics used for any weapons of the UT franchise can be implemented as an Item instead of being a gun and items could just bring more variety and gameplays to the franchise and finally bring the Teamwork on a solid step beyond what it actually is.

But it's definitely true, it wouldn't play exactly the same way you play UT3, it would be as fast, as much tricky, but more tactical.

When I look at UT3 it's Quake 3 with Next Gen graphics and nothing more except vehicles and Deployables.
For a 2008 game, it's a bit disturbing.

JohnDoe641 · Jul 21, 2008

I'm assuming that you've never played a competitive match in any of the UT games if you're saying it's not tactical. :c

Hyrage · Jul 21, 2008

I never said it wasn't, I said that there are ways to improve the Teamwork and there are ways to implement new twists in the actual Core Gameplay Mecanics, but these are things that I'll keep for my own projects.

_Lynx · Jul 21, 2008

Just tell me how, changing all weapons to hitscan would benefit gameplay/teamplay? I don't see the connection. Last time I saw similar attempt (or at least it turned out to be a hitscan fest - TAM) that did nothing to teamplay. More like killed it.

BobTheBeheader · Jul 21, 2008

Hyage: why don't you go make a weapons mod to demonstrate your point?

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DaJMasta · Jul 21, 2008

No need to go bullets. The variety on weapons helps keep gameplay interesting and gives you more options on how to get things done.

I personally favor projectile weapons of ut more than instant hit weapons, but that's just me.

Defeat · Jul 21, 2008

Hyrage said:
Would you like having all weapons firing bullets instead of the actual weapon system of UT3?

In other terms, would you prefer the Gears of War weapon system [real bullets] instead of a crazy looking Bio Rifle.

No.

Hyrage · Jul 21, 2008

BobTheBeheader said:
Hyage: why don't you go make a weapons mod to demonstrate your point?

That would be very interesting and already in the work in some ways. I'm finishing a Game Design Document to start it, but start scripting at the same time to become more familiar with it.

The twists I was talking about will be implemented in that project.
But it isn't for tomorrow. More like months and years

for both singleplayer & multiplayer.

One thing is sure, it will not play like any other actual FPS.

Defeat · Jul 21, 2008

Also no to your slowing down the game and reloading in that other thread.

Hyrage · Jul 21, 2008

Reloading isn't necessary in UT3, but slowing down the game with Slomo 0.9 makes a huge difference on the Teamwork in CQB or medium range battles.

Too fast = no teamplay
Too slow = no gameflow

_Lynx said:
Just tell me how, changing all weapons to hitscan would benefit gameplay/teamplay? I don't see the connection. Last time I saw similar attempt (or at least it turned out to be a hitscan fest - TAM) that did nothing to teamplay. More like killed it.

hmmm I just read your post, but why are you talking about hitscans???
Gears of War isn't using the Hitscan technique at all and that isn't very great in term of gameplay for a Shooter game.

Think about a rocket, but faster... it's all what it is about.

JohnDoe641 · Jul 21, 2008

Hyrage said:
Reloading isn't necessary in UT3, but slowing down the game with Slomo 0.9 makes a huge difference on the Teamwork in CQB or medium range battles.

Too fast = no teamplay.

You haven't played any UT game apparently. :c

DRT-Maverick · Jul 21, 2008

I'm glad the sniper rifle's back, hated the lightning gun in all honesty, took the feeling of sniping away. Though I do agree they should add maybe one more weapon (auto-rifle ontop of the minigun), though they shouldn't remove any of the current weapons.

Hyrage said:
Gears of War isn't using the Hitscan technique at all and that isn't very great in term of gameplay for a Shooter game.

Honestly, I'd like to see more games with the style of movement you had in GoW. Ducking behind objects makes the game much more realistic, and it was one of my biggest gripes about FPS's until GoW's ingame movement came about.

Bort · Jul 21, 2008

delete all the 08 accounts, thanks

ne_skaju · Jul 21, 2008

I prefer projectile weapons over hitscan.

daloonie · Jul 21, 2008

_Lynx said:
Just tell me how, changing all weapons to hitscan would benefit gameplay/teamplay? I don't see the connection. Last time I saw similar attempt (or at least it turned out to be a hitscan fest - TAM) that did nothing to teamplay. More like killed it.

Freon did give it more teamplay. But in all honesty you have to admit this is what kept ut2k4 alive till the ut3 launch and still is keeping it live.

I know titan onslaught has a freon server full every night of the week.

Doctor Pooch says:
In all honesty hyrage, you're talking about changing a game, that is a moderate success(atleast on ps3), into something it was never meant to be?

Ofcourse there could be more weapons but it if you ask me they would serve no purpose as the game has all the weapons to make a great game. Getting more weapons stuffed in will only make it more confusing(I still miss the ripper though).
But if you like your bullet weapons go play some of the mods around or something.

Alhanalem · Jul 21, 2008

If you want gears of war weapons, go play gears of war.

It's called Unreal because it's NOT realistic.

Poll - All weapons fire bullets idea

UT3 weapons

Would you prefer having only: All weapons firing bullets

UT3 is oky the way it is

Keep the actual weapons and add more firing bullets weapons!

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