Another SSP update, now with more PCP! KILL YOUR PARENTS!!!!!

How about adding a keybinding? Took me forever to get the grenades to work. I would like to see a shallow longer arc. Mind if I use the code? I got an idea I wanna try.

Other then that, I love it and no complaints, but add a readme/keybind!

he's already promised me a keybind in the next build. yay!

Awesome offhands DrWong.

Any chance of making the grenade damage customizable? It seems that they should hurt more than a single missile shot for what the cost is. The effects are great, I thought the radius of the explosion FX could be increased significantly What might be really fun is boosting the knockback so that even if they don't kill in 1 hit, they really toss someone...

I love what you've come up with - the species are really starting to feel truly unique.

Uhh.. where's the link for the download? I loved the species mutator; thought it brought a nice little difference to it... if that made sense. Anyway. I could never quite figure out what the difference was between them.... what were they?

And. Um. Hi.

EvilDrWong said:

As far as balancing goes, i want to strike a decent midrange between making the offhands more than just a novelty, but less than a mainstay.

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Yes, I can totally appreciate that and i totally agree with you on the midrange. My suggestion to boost the grenades stems in part from a couple thoughts:

Rockets can be fired over and over and do the same amount of damage, they detonate on impact, and they don't cost any adrenaline. So after the novelty wore off, i haven't used the grenades at all. Giving them a larger blast radius and higher knockback and making them 1 hit kill at the dead center should still be balanced if you add a delay in which the attacker can't fire their weapon. Dodging makes it exceptionally easy to get out of the way of even a large blast radius.

Reasons for a 1 hit kill with grenades with 3+ second fuses:
- A rocket launcher takes someone out in 2 hits in less than 1.5 seconds
- Linkgun can kill in under 2 seconds
- Actually, most the weapons can kill in under 2-3 seconds
- All these weapons are highly accurate with a high rate of fire
- All these weapons are much harder to dodge than a grenade.
- None of these weapons have ammo limited by adrenaline

This would assume that grenades don't explode on impact, but only after their fuses run out. So I believe this magic midrange can be reached by always using a delayed fuse and boosting the damage to, say 150 or so. And constantly throwing grenades gives you a low rate of fire and makes you vulnerable to constant, accurate gunfire. Considering that they can consume adrenaline, they will be a rare commodity. It worked great in Halo - and UT2K4 has a much faster pace. I feel that if they are too weak, they will go unused. Anyone else agree/disagree?

Wong, what would it take to add:

-Default Adrenaline Level
-Default Shield Level

Thanks for considering boosting the grenades DrWong. I don't mean to be pushy or make demands - I do know what it's like as i'm personally writing a mod right now (http://fm.mt-wudan.com) and i have people making demands of me everyday, and i don't want to make anyone else feel like that. I just really like what you've done (and i would've done it if you hadn't), so i have a vested interest in your mut.

When i first addressed offhand abilities (in a previous post), i actually just tried to think of unique abilities period, instead of just offhand weapons. If you still plan on making additional abilities, here's a few brainstorms that hopefully won't be super difficult code-wise:

Offhand weapons
Juggernaut:
- Punch (Super concentrated shield gun hit) with big knockback
Egyptian:
- Light of Osiris: targeting the ground brings a beam out of the sky to strike it (like the ion cannon, but only dealing damage to a diameter the size of the beam, ~3 feet)
Skaarj:
- Claw attack, like you already mentioned DrWong
- Tail spin: basically just like the Jugg's knockback attack, but with a different animation
Nightmare:
- Death's Grip: targeting the ground summons a trail of medium damage spikes from the player to the targeted spot (like a Lurker in starcraft - if it's too tricky to code, just one spike popping up would be cool)
- Blood Maggots: (basically just spidermines skinned all black with red/blood explosion fx)
Robot:
- ClusterMissiles: Bot fires 4 light damage missiles that follow target painter sight
- DrunkenMissiles: Bot fires 8 light damage missiles that randomly twirl out from center of robot
- Static Discharge: Bot releases arc in x foot radius, electrocuting (lightning gun fx) all in range

Passive Special Abilities
Human/Merc:
- Passive Shield regen
Robot:
- Self-Destruct (just a random chance of dealing radius damage on death with added FX)
- Passive ammo regen
- Mechanical Affinity: weapons do 50% more knockback due to robot's intrinsic knowledge of their usage
Gen Mo'Kai:
- Chain jumping: can jump again anytime for a cost of X adrenaline per jump past the normal double jump (upto 8 jumps or so).
Juggernaut:
- Immune to fall damage
Egyptian:
- Can dodge in the air
- Crouching before jumping triples the height of the jump
Skaarj:
- Natural Camoflauge: Invisible (just turn on the invisible combo) while crouching/not moving.
- Abrasive Armor - damage done simply by colliding with another player
Nightmare:
- Acidic blood - similar to thorns but only at a close proximity


Lots of these abilities could be mix-n-matched between species, but it's just a few things i had runnin through my head.
Lemme know what you think DrWong.

Do you have a new version posted yet? Should I get you an upload slot at UnrealMods? ( would actually have to write the upload slots mind you... )

Oh, and if you include the source next time, I'll add in Versatile Key Binds for you.

A dynamic array would be cool - even just one more keybind that cycled progressively through the abilities would work.

The only problem with that is that you'd need at least 2 offhand abilities for each class so noone gets 'left out' - it will require a bit more balancing.

btw - is there any link where one could consistently grab the current beta? Or do you prefer to make the builds more solid between release?

Well the idea of VKB's is that once people start downloading a lot of gametypes/mutators, Epic's method of adding new key bind rapidly gets cumbersome (kinda like Epic's method of adding new gametypes, or mutators, or web admin...). Since you only need these keybinds while you are playing with the mutator or gametype, it seems silly to clog the keyboard with em.

Anyway, blah blah blah. I sound like a promo machine. I can drop them in seperate and we can try them out.

I'd probably have more note for you, but A) - since I'm trying this with Riftwar I've only tested 3 of the species and B) I think some of my notes are covered in your upcoming version.

And I've decided Dynamic Arrays are teh suck.

Brainstorm for people interested.

Perhaps a sheild as a class ability? I'm refering to an energy sheild similar to the (uh... just forgot the name ><; the sheildgun thingy), but different in the following examples.

1 Covers entire body (orb surrounding person.)

2 Prevents nearly ALL damage (instead of normal sheild only preventing some. I've always had difficulty trying to figure out what exactly it's supposed to block.) Only damage sustained while using the sheild would be environmental (lava, whatever) and super weapons. (poison too, if you're including that. Which would be another good idea; all (most?) attacks would poison another player for a short time. You could have the nightmares use it, and call it "decay".)

...erf. Got sidetracked. Anyway.

3 Recharges, but at a far slower rate than the sheildgun.

4 Can only be used while standing still and doing nothing else. (Preventing overuse by flag carriers.)



Another idea. Perhaps you could turn this into a "fragbuck" system, and make their chars fully customizable?

Just offering some thoughts.

...Um.. another idea, for the "Decay" ability I mentioned above. That might work out better as a "touch" ability.

I really like the stationary shield idea. I had tried to build that into Riftwar, but it never quite worked out.