The Debate Spin

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After the debates the various campaigns go about touting about how their candidate won. So here's your chance. I want to hear your spin on the debate. I want you to be as unfair, biast, and contentious as possible. I want to hear every clever little insult you have. Hopefully this will keep the discussion light hearted, and fun.

My favorite part was when McCain mocked Obama's meeting with Ahmadinejad "he'll say we'll wipe Israel off the map, and we'll say no, don't?"

McCain also did a good job of calling out Obama on spending. Not only did he point out Obama's earmarking record, but he called him out on all his socialist plans. Obama looked really bad when he was unable to answer the question about what plans he would cut. McCain rightfully pointed out Obama was one of the most liberal members of congress, and Obama couldn't deny it.
 
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I didnt watch it and for good reason. Sounds to me like they went at each other like a pair of children.

"Your bad" "No your bad" "Im telling" "**** yo couch nigga"

Freaking politics.
 
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Democrats socialize health care and save kids' lives.

Republicans socialize war costs and kill teens before their lives have really started.

Both have socialist tendencies. If you like war and the inflation it causes, go ahead and vote for McCain. D:
 
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TWD said:
My favorite part was when McCain mocked Obama's meeting with Ahmadinejad "he'll say we'll wipe Israel off the map, and we'll say no, don't?"
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yea, that was hilarious... also when McCain said that it's too hard to reach across the isle when you're that far to the left even made Obama laugh :)

What I thought was an interesting spin was when McCain, with respect to Obama denying the surge, compared his stubborness to the Bush administration's
 
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hal said:
Anyhow, the debate was a big snooze fest. :zzz:
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I think the economics part was pretty boring. they pretty much repeated everything they've been saying all along in their campaigns; nothing much new was said... and yea I started to drift away...

I think it picked up pretty well once they shifted to foreign policy. It got my attention and saved me from falling asleep on the couch... it got a little lively from there on out..
 
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hal said:
That may be one of the dumbest things I've ever seen you say.
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Guys, let's admit it. This debate meant sh*t and the real fun starts when Biden takes on Palin.
 
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When's that going to happen? The Reps. have been keeping her away from debates and the media in general because she's so f**king clueless and they know it. I didn't see it, but people are saying her recent stint with Couric was one of the most pathetic displays ever in the history of displays that have been pathetic.
 
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I think McSame sounded old and outdated. He looked stressed, as one independent viewer noted on CBS after the debate, much like Nixon did when debating Kennedy. McSame at times seemed very nervous. Obama seemed more poised, articulate and presidential. McSame did not once look at Obama, while Obama made very sure to look his opponent in the eye.

Having said that, it was, as hal said: a snoozefest. There were plenty of missed opportunities for both to make better & more clear comparisons of their plans and why their's was better. Both overspoke their time limits with Jim Leher fumbling on being a good moderator and reining them in. It was all too polite.

Obama made the mistake of saying he agreed with McSame on too many issues, and did not speak out more clearly on differences that could have really been made to have him stand out more.

McSame was either too shallow or typically relied upon his POW war-hero crap or scare tactics to try and avoid the question - as if the audience couldn't be more stupid and not see through his loud whispers of concern and overly emotional pleas on the dangers - like he was talking to children :gag:.

Oh, and if I hear the word 'fundamental' one more time, I might scream.:mad:
 
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Oh, here's some fun facts about the lies spewed from the debate, from FactCheck.org:

Summary
McCain and Obama contradicted each other repeatedly during their first debate, and each volunteered some factual misstatements as well. Here’s how we sort them out:

  • Obama said McCain adviser Henry Kissinger backs talks with Iran “without preconditions,” but McCain disputed that. In fact, Kissinger did recently call for “high level” talks with Iran starting at the secretary of state level and said, “I do not believe that we can make conditions.” After the debate the McCain campaign issued a statement quoting Kissinger as saying he didn’t favor presidential talks with Iran.
  • Obama denied voting for a bill that called for increased taxes on “people” making as little as $42,000 a year, as McCain accused him of doing. McCain was right, though only for single taxpayers. A married couple would have had to make $83,000 to be affected by the vote, and anyway no such increase is in Obama’s tax plan.
  • McCain and Obama contradicted each other on what Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Admiral Mike Mullen said about troop withdrawals. Mullen said a time line for withdrawal could be “very dangerous” but was not talking specifically about “Obama’s plan,” as McCain maintained.
  • McCain tripped up on one of his signature issues – special appropriation “earmarks.” He said they had “tripled in the last five years,” when in fact they have decreased sharply.
  • Obama claimed Iraq “has” a $79 billion surplus. It once was projected to be as high as that. It’s now down to less than $60 billion.
  • McCain repeated his overstated claim that the U.S. pays $700 billion a year for oil to hostile nations. Imports are running at about $536 billion this year, and a third of it comes from Canada, Mexico and the U.K.
  • Obama said 95 percent of “the American people” would see a tax cut under his proposal. The actual figure is 81 percent of households.
  • Obama mischaracterized an aspect of McCain’s health care plan, saying “employers” would be taxed on the value of health benefits provided to workers. Employers wouldn’t, but the workers would. McCain also would grant workers up to a $5,000 tax credit per family to cover health insurance.

  • McCain misrepresented Obama's plan by claiming he'd be "handing the health care system over to the federal government." Obama would expand some government programs but would allow people to keep their current plans or chose from private ones, as well.
  • McCain claimed Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower had drafted a letter of resignation from the Army to be sent in case the 1944 D-Day landing at Normandy turned out to be a failure. Ike prepared a letter taking responsibility, but he didn’t mention resigning.

For full details, as well as other dubious claims and statements, please read our full Analysis section.
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http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/factchecking_debate_no_1.html
 
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