Forum Split

Wow a moderators rant....
peerhaps the reason there are so many mapping questions are because there are so many mappers. It's easy to learn to map. The other stuff needs more specialization. I think we get our healthy share of posts on other topics. I also don't think we're dying. THis isn't the first time editing has slowed down. It goes thru it's cycles.
I've already listed why I don't like this move... I think Cursed souls idea would be a good one to implement.
And last issue

we are spending private funds to support you with this forum. We moved to keep you guys happy.

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And that is totally unfair to use tha against us. I can easily rebutt that within the context of this situation but I won't. I still respect you guys.

As I see it, only 17 people hate this idea. Yes, I'll group the others into the "I generally don't care", since that is what they mean.

OshadowO, it's unfair to claim I don't care about the community, as Tao states. Not that I care what he thinks anyways, but I will listen to good and intelligent arguements by the other members. He's taken this chance to take shots at me. I will state anything to defend what thousands already know. If that is unfair, then oh well.

I've received more emails about how people like this seperation. The only arguements against this forum seperation is mainly from people posting in this thread, who I suspect is the 17 voting against.

I am giving the community a chance to choose. I stuck the threads and want people to vote. 17 people against the seperation IS NOT THE MAJORITY OF COMMUNITY. So far, I've received over 30 emails stating they like the seperation. I won't include the 10 votes in here...

Judge me if you want, but people have been asking for this seperation. I find it funny that SOME would claim I don't listen to the community, when in fact, the seperation was result of listening to the community. However, nothing will change until I see more votes.

And Tao, don't use this situation to muddy my reputation. You don't know me well enough to make such accusations.

Originally posted by Prophetus


And Tao, don't use this situation to muddy my reputation. You don't know me well enough to make such accusations.

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Your reputation is intact - amongst those who know you no doubt....actually never in question in my mind. I just thought that statement was unfair to us. My tone has been bitter because I'm bitter. Editing is my main hang out here and thus I have strong feelings on the subject.
I hate it but I'll live with it if it's not changed. Tho I'm not gonna lie, I'd love to see it fail if it remains as is.
Anyway I've said enough on the subject. Do what you think is best. Your intentions aren't going to be suspect...atleast in my mind if that's worth anything.

hey Prophetus, could you look into Chris Toth's problem if you get some time? He's having major trouble connecting to BuF and clambert apparently won't return his emails. are there any other people having trouble that you know of?

http://forums.beyondunreal.com/showthread.php?threadid=88681

So Prophetus, what do you think of Cursed Soul's idea? I think it is a suitable compromise, and I think most forumers here agree.
[$.02] I seem to remember that all of us here faithfully followed this community to BuF because we didn't like the idea of changing the format. I find it rather frustrating to be thrust into such a knight-fork as this. [/$.02]

I thank you for working so hard in the interests of the community members, and I stress that I bear no ill will toward you for the change. I do, however, feel that my honest opinion is what you want.

Originally posted by Prophetus
If the concern is about the old Editing forum will receive less attention for mappers, then I will disable the Levels forum and merge it with the Old Editing forum.

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This is something that I could live with ....... just barely. I'm currently learning coding and I'll have to broswe the other board more to pick up more info.

besides we may not see our mighy pirate and other loveable coders around here too much

Re: thoughts from a newbie

Originally posted by smeerkat
I'm used to the Infogrames structure: one forum for all editing needs. I realize that the result is a massive hodge-podge of topics that I have to wade through, but that's part of the fun. Furthermore, it's more convenient for me to have just one bookmark. If I had to click on four or five different forums to keep up-to-date, that would drive me nuts.
But since I'm new here, I'll go with the flow.

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smeerkat vote damn you......

Yp Prophetus... dont u think my idea would be easy, one forum, and with some options 2 navigate through maps etc....
and heres someting extra i want 2 add to my other pic..

(hope u understand it, im a lousy explainer)

this way u can turn on/off sertain threads, if i use this pic from above ive turned off moddeling, but i also could turn off mapping and turn moddeling on etc...

hope u like it

Personally, I don't really mind either way, as long as the community stays together. I really hate seeing empty message boards where the last post was sometime in 2000, and really don't want the editing forum(s) to end up like that, as that's my main place when online, I rarely go to any of the other forums, except Troubleshooting, which seems to have slowed down dramatically recently. I just hope the arrival of U2 will liven interest a lot more.

I find no hardship in browsing through three or four forums, although I do fully back Cursed_Souls idea, although I'm not really sure whether vBulletin, as much of a very good forum software it is, would be capable. If it could somehow be implemented it would be a very good idea, in fact thoughts along those lines were at the very back of my mind before I even knew about any of this happening.

And regarding people saying Prophetus being unfair in his comments, my opinion of him will stay intact whatever decision he makes, although I don't really know him that well at all as I haven't been around here for all that long, but I respect you for putting all this free time, effort and money (?) into the community, along with all the other admins, which has been proven by the recent move which must have been hard, but I thank you for it, as vBulletin really is the best forum software there is.

So my vote goes in the "I like it but it doesnt matter much to me" pile, I don't really mind whichever way it goes, as long as it doesn't make the community go downhill, and as long as some of the stronger contendors here voting against the new change don't leave.

Can't think of anything more to say, so I'll shut up.

I like Cursed_Soul's idea. If you can come up with a better icon design, then I'll upload them. However, I can't make the icons specific to the editing forums. That's not a bad thing, since some people tend to post editing questions throughout the board.

Come up with suitable icon designs.

However, I will still keep the Music and Sounds and the Coding forum separated. Members have voiced strong feelings for those forums to be separated. Although I disagree with some of you that think Editing involve all aspects of learning UnrealED; I will do what the majority wants, to a point.

The reason, well one of the reasons, I separated the forums is because I do believe that the Editing forums is seen as a Mappers Only forum (or dominated by mappers). Coders, Texture Artists, Modelers and such may understand mapping, but they don't spend their entire time working on maps.

We need to expand the Editing forums to accommodate up and coming Mod and Mutator creators. Every Mod team has separate people working on specific items, like coding, textures and such. If it were true, that all mappers or coders knew everything about Unreal ED, then more mods would be a one-man/woman endeavor. As it stands now, Mod teams are comprised of specialist who want to explore and learn more about their specific field of expertise. The General Editing forum does not supply the gathering they need.

I'll look into Chris' problem. Some members have experienced this same problem. It is an isolated problem, but we consider this a major problem to our members that suffer. One thing that came up was the fact some users were using the new IE version 6. I suspect that some of the advanced settings in IE 6 are causing the problem.

OshadowO, don't stop posting your opinions. I actually listen to your advice...dunno why, but I do.

well im not an icon designer... so i hope s/o is reading this that can....

this is actually the first idea that s/o likes

thanks Prophetus

ow about IE 6.0 underneath the browser is a red eye icon, click on it and make it accept cookies from BUF it solved my probs at puf and now at buf, if that doesnt help.... let hell freeze over that always work

here's another small idea from me
is it possible to have a ceperate forum for people asking for mappers/coders/modellers to join their mod, i'm sure i'm not the only one that is annoyed by this, cause they post on every general forum about their cry for help, k agreed i did that once in my life but found other resources to get members from, and at least i knew i was irritating

wow I love these surprises we keep getting here
Well it's a compromise but a good one I guess

OshadowO, don't stop posting your opinions. I actually listen to your advice...dunno why, but I do.

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probably because I've mastered the art of bitching so much. Comes with the education...Architects=masters of bitching and whining.
I'll shut up now. Thanks Proph...for the solution and the kind words.

"here's another small idea from me
is it possible to have a ceperate forum for people asking for mappers/coders/modellers to join their mod, i'm sure i'm not the only one that is annoyed by this, cause they post on every general forum about their cry for help, k agreed i did that once in my life but found other resources to get members from, and at least i knew i was irritating"





we could mention it in the faq and then point them to it.

shadow: lol..
i have more than a few friends who are architects, and they all exhibit those characteristics

If the editing board is dominated by mappers and their specific board has been moved back into general editing why do they care coding and sounds get thier own. The topics that pop up are generally less common than posts about mapping. and when they do it's usually the same question that was asked a week or so ago posted by someone who doesn't know what to search for and either missed it or didn't bother to look through because of the hodge-podge of posts ranging between many different topics.
A forum split lets ppl communicate easier to an audiance that is interested and actively looking for the information they want. Searching is half the fun is a lame excuse. The less time I have to search for posts the better. Isn't this board (editing) supposed to encourage productivity? A topic specific forum split means ppl can spend more time posting replys or new topics and actually working on a product. In case no one remembers this was discussed many times in the PlanetUnreal(now BeyondUnreal) forum and the split was encouraged by members here. It was members themselves that brought the idea up. A split is/was a good idea IMO as it ecourages ppl to post in specific forums about certain topics. If the editing forum remains general than besides the heap of various posts related to all aspects of UEd, the OT posts wont help searching either (seriously guys there is an OT board here, use it).

howabout we have a General Editing forum, and a seperate Mapping forum? that will seperate the two masses in question.