Bring back Jumpboots, Invisibility, various armor and shields, etc. As it's been said, adrenaline is just too gimicky.
Adrenaline in UT2007, Yay or Nay?
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Just an idea that popped into my head and not exactly something I've thought totally through (mainly balancing issues), but.... what if they combined relics and adrenaline?
There are probably a lot of different approaches you could take to this, but these are what came to my mind:
Now I don't particularly like the adrenaline system, but I was thinking maybe it would be best if they could combine both power-up systems and hopefully making both camps happy.
There are probably a lot of different approaches you could take to this, but these are what came to my mind:
- Adrenaline basically acts as an upgrade system for the relic the player is currently holding. More adrenaline makes the relic stronger and more effective and less adrenaline vice versa. I'm thinking it would probably be best if the amount of adrenaline the player holds is either decreased or dropped when killed.
- Relics unlocks a particular or multiple adrenaline combos (or whatever activation system they decide upon). This basically makes relics time-limited when activated. Also players shouldn't have to have full adrenaline in order to be able to activate the relics.
Now I don't particularly like the adrenaline system, but I was thinking maybe it would be best if they could combine both power-up systems and hopefully making both camps happy.
Persefone said:
Never played much UT with the relics. Think I did a couple times, but preferred regular gameplay. Been so long though.
I thought the UT ones were cool. You held whatever you had until youdied, the spawns were random, but they dropped, so you could kill the guy with what you wanted, and most of them all had a counter part. Most of the games IIRC, would revolve around getting the defensive one (take half damage), and then hunting down the damage one (doubled damage) if you didn't get it first. Having each made those two players neutral to each other, but at a pretty distinct advantage against other. They just had to watch for redemption, and get good at hittinng the speedy guy.
I thought they were a blast.
I thought they were a blast.
The problem with 'species' was that it was never really developed and balanced. In UT2k3 it wasn't even officially present.Bullet10k said:
I guess part of the reason was that they never really implemented model-specific armor. I get the impression that it will be used in the next-gen UT.
Given that many people don't mind properly balanced classes (as the succes of BF-series & Tribes-series prove) I think that 'species' when properly explained and balanced could work really well.
'competitive' people are too often needlessly afraid of new stuff IMHO.
They're crying about 'not balanced' when they really mean to say that it just favours a style of play they're not capable of.
Their loss ...
Adren is crap, get over it.
No, we actually mean not balanced. Adren tips the scales too much in favour of those that have gotten the upper hand. "Speed" was a garunteed way to screw up CTF/BR/DOM (which is why it got banned). Booster manages to screw up the balance in every gametype.
JaFO said:
No, we actually mean not balanced. Adren tips the scales too much in favour of those that have gotten the upper hand. "Speed" was a garunteed way to screw up CTF/BR/DOM (which is why it got banned). Booster manages to screw up the balance in every gametype.
Yeah, normally I'd agree with that assessment JaFO, but in this case I'd say it's not true.
I also picked up some silly x6 irc log where a couple of those guys were discussing how they didn't think adren was unbalanced, because it was a way for he who is not in the lead, or in "control" (refering mostly to TDM naturally) to get a "powerup", and possibly overthrow control, basically, with no response to stating the fact that the guy in contorl, will get 2 or more of those same said powerups, to the other players one, and it really doesn't provide much gain for the underdog.
I also picked up some silly x6 irc log where a couple of those guys were discussing how they didn't think adren was unbalanced, because it was a way for he who is not in the lead, or in "control" (refering mostly to TDM naturally) to get a "powerup", and possibly overthrow control, basically, with no response to stating the fact that the guy in contorl, will get 2 or more of those same said powerups, to the other players one, and it really doesn't provide much gain for the underdog.
:tup: @ sel absolutely.
JaFo - you don't play online, do you?
*ps the original relics were kinda fun, but i just don't think they were done well enough for online play. Random spawns etc.. it'd be nice to see them reworked, as a mutator though.
pps - from what AE was saying... adren lets people powerup without taking away from the other. So it's not a reward really as much as bolstering your position.. At least if the underdog sneaks the armour, the damage amp then the other person Can't get it. That's what adren unbalances.. yeah?
JaFo - you don't play online, do you?
*ps the original relics were kinda fun, but i just don't think they were done well enough for online play. Random spawns etc.. it'd be nice to see them reworked, as a mutator though.
pps - from what AE was saying... adren lets people powerup without taking away from the other. So it's not a reward really as much as bolstering your position.. At least if the underdog sneaks the armour, the damage amp then the other person Can't get it. That's what adren unbalances.. yeah?
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Selerox said:
I do not agree 100% since yourself as your opponent can access the adrenalin.
In fact, the REAL skill is maybe to collect or gather adrenalin faster than your opponent. Therefore I think it s unfair to think that a skill should be removed because some players can be smart at it.
But I think that suicides should cost lots of adrenaline (33% of your current amount for instance), and I think that a death should cost about 7 adrenaline points.
Death shouldn't cost you, death should gain you. That would further the inbalance of adren in TDM/1v1, and give more power to the guy(s) in control.
If you're getting pwnt, you cannot gather adrenaline faster than your opponent. That's why it sucks ass. You're already getting pwnt, and you're about to get pwnt even more when the other team starts boosting over and over again. People that can't see this as an imbalance probably just play offline and would never give it a second thought. Or they've never played with no weapon stay.
Just look at getting pwnt in TDM. The pwning team has the shields, the weapons, the health, the position, the adrenaline, and chicken fries from Burger King. The team getting pwnt has a couple assault rifles and probably a link gun and bio rifle since no one cares about those pieces of crap.
If adrenaline just has to be in the game, you should get it for getting your ass kicked, not kicking ass. Getting pwnt in 1v1 is the most frustrating thing on the planet, and getting frustrated just adds to your getting pwnt. That's the type of situation where you should be able to use adrenaline.
Really, though, adrenaline should just be gone. It was a crap idea that's even crapper in practice.
Just look at getting pwnt in TDM. The pwning team has the shields, the weapons, the health, the position, the adrenaline, and chicken fries from Burger King. The team getting pwnt has a couple assault rifles and probably a link gun and bio rifle since no one cares about those pieces of crap.
If adrenaline just has to be in the game, you should get it for getting your ass kicked, not kicking ass. Getting pwnt in 1v1 is the most frustrating thing on the planet, and getting frustrated just adds to your getting pwnt. That's the type of situation where you should be able to use adrenaline.
Really, though, adrenaline should just be gone. It was a crap idea that's even crapper in practice.
nay!
I prefer other pickups too, we can have "speed" pack, regeneration pack...but don't give us adrenaline.
I prefer other pickups too, we can have "speed" pack, regeneration pack...but don't give us adrenaline.
If you had REAL skill you wouldn't be playing with adrenaline.EL BOURIKO said:
Nothing much gratifies me more than fragging the players that have just started their adren moves.
