yeah I love how Japan only recently got around to outlawing child pornography and they still made an exception for anime. cartoon porn has no limits; children, animals, you name it. as long as it's drawn and not real it's cool.
Beating the summer heat Japanese style.
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Yes, a dismembered finger or bloody head stump is just as inappropriate as mosaiced genitalia (or non-mosaiced pubichairclonebrushed genitalia), though some could say that's more 'balanced' content treatment... some gory Japanese-developed games can't even have an uncensored release in Japan. Unsurprisingly so can't Germany.
but here's the funny part, you can still bisect whole characters in a bloody two!!!! and if things are innocent enough to not be sexualized, genitalia can be uncensored in media intended for all ages!!!!!!!!
but here's the funny part, you can still bisect whole characters in a bloody two!!!! and if things are innocent enough to not be sexualized, genitalia can be uncensored in media intended for all ages!!!!!!!!
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America implodes when someone has a nip slip.
Germany implodes at the very hint of blood.
Japan implodes at the sight of someone's spleen.
It's all the same to me.
Germany implodes at the very hint of blood.
Japan implodes at the sight of someone's spleen.
It's all the same to me.
Grow a pair.
Nice, succinct way of admitting that you're part of the problem.
I utterly fucking refute that concept. The concept that half of the people of this world will permanently stay under the heel is just wrong on so many levels. It's not going to happen. Women will get the full rights they fully deserve. They'll get there.
But they'll get there a whole lot quicker if people like you actually took some fucking responsibility and stood up for, and stood alongside, your wife and daughter rather than just dismissing the concept of them ever having equal rights.
Apathy in the face of misogyny is unacceptable. The same way apathy in the face of racism or homophobia is unacceptable.
Nice, succinct way of admitting that you're part of the problem.
I utterly fucking refute that concept. The concept that half of the people of this world will permanently stay under the heel is just wrong on so many levels. It's not going to happen. Women will get the full rights they fully deserve. They'll get there.
But they'll get there a whole lot quicker if people like you actually took some fucking responsibility and stood up for, and stood alongside, your wife and daughter rather than just dismissing the concept of them ever having equal rights.
Apathy in the face of misogyny is unacceptable. The same way apathy in the face of racism or homophobia is unacceptable.
Ugh...OK, here we go.
First, because I think something is a certain way does NOT imply that I endorse it. Example: I think that the Islamic faith is going to eventually overtake western Europe unless something serious is done to curtail it's growth. Now does that mean I endorse Islam? Of course not. That negates most of your post so next time try to keep that in mind.
Second, I never said that women were "under the heel" of anyone. I said men run the world and women will always be viewed first and foremost by men as sexual objects. Argue either of those to me, I dare you.
Third, that's not going to change. Women want equality yet they are not assuming the roles that gender equity entails. Men are by far the cogs that keep society running. Here's a great page for you to ponder on:
http://www.avoiceformen.com/men/judgybitch-pray-men-never-take-a-day-off/
It starts to get good about halfway down. Read that then you will see how incredibly far we are from 'equality'. Until women are ready to assume roles like this en mass then men will run things. It's not changing anytime soon in any modern society on earth. There's a reason it's homogenous like this: because it works. Women live easier lives than men and they live longer. Why would they want to disrupt the status quo?
Finally don't you EVER judge me as a father and husband if you don't know me. No one is a bigger cheerleader for either my wife or my daughter. Ask my wife if I have ever once walked in front of her through a door or if I've ever once not treated her as the lady she is. That woman has two college degrees and I'm a mailman. Yeah, she's "under my heel". As for my daughter, she's about to enter the world and I reinforce all the time that the sky is the limit but as a woman she's going to have to work harder to get it than a man would.
That's just the way the world is.
By all means though go ahead and make another characterization of "me" and pound your chest some more. That's going to do so much good. Well, you'll certainly feel better.
Sure. You say that after you fapped.
That snowcone machine is yellow, not white.
I'd like to see your data on this, since everything I'm reading suggests that would take centuries to happen, if ever. Moreover, if you're implying that Sharia law (or any form of Islam that would impinge on the rights of women) would become the norm in Western Europe, a place where the very foundations of social equality were built, you're sorely mistaken.
It's all nice and special that you're chivalrous with your wife, and maybe that works for you and her, but it's you treating her not as a peer but as someone different from you. You also seem to espouse the very American concept of gender roles: that men belong in the workplace and women belong at home. In case you haven't noticed, this is an antiquated viewpoint, despite the best efforts of those who would discourage women from becoming engineers and scientists. How can you on one hand encourage your daughter to work hard to seek careers that may be classically dominated by men and then use that domination as an excuse to discourage women from seeking such careers?
Gender roles are just that: roles, as in a position a person takes so they can be stereotyped and marginalized, and while people may be comfortable in their role, it is better for society as a whole that everyone is encouraged to seek happiness, even if it flies in the face of convention and "comfort".
sup BuF
You're citing A Voice For Men? You actually believe what comes out of what is essentially a hate group against women, and you still have the guts to say that you fully support your family? Given what I've seen here (and elsewhere), you're an incredibly dishonest person, if not to others then to yourself. You really don't know what you're talking about, so it would be good if you stopped pretending that you do.
"Women live easier lives?" Bullshit. Women do far more unpaid labor than men, despite what family sitcoms would have you believe. Men get more of what are effectively free services from marriage, so it's no wonder that married men are happier than married women.
"Men are the cogs that keep society running?" Bullshit. Men AND women keep society running. Remove either one from the equation and society would either fall apart or adapt.
"Women want equality yet they are not assuming the roles that gender equity entail?" Not bullshit, but I'm assuming that's for the wrong reasons on your part. When girls are raised differently from boys from birth, when they're taught to do things differently, when they're taught different skills, when they're influenced to go into different careers by their peers, family, and teachers, of course they're not going to go into traditionally male-dominated jobs (that's how gender roles work - we as a society don't arbitrarily choose them). And when women who try to go into male-dominated fields experience the glass ceiling, the mommy track, or sexism at the workplace, of course there are going to be few women in those roles.
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It's easy to attack the messenger. The moment you spend your posting time in character assassination then I know you don't have a true rebuttal.
You think AVFM is a shit site? I do too BUT that does not invalidate the post. Again, messenger not message. Refute the facts I posted or go lay down. No one cares what you think about me personally, least of which is me. It's intellectually lazy to say "that's bullshit" and not back it up.
Dope: That's a whole other discussion and one I'd gladly have with you if you want to start a thread on it.
You know, this whole discussion started because I said that women are objectified everywhere, not just in Japan. We absolutely MUST recognize the true face of the problem before it can ever be addressed. I'm getting a lot of heat (which is fine) for being the guy pointing at the facts but it doesn't for a minute change what is the current situation. You'll never improve anything by standing on the outside and chanting "this is wrong!". True change happens from within from people who honestly understand the nuts and bolts of the issue and work on fixing the causes/reasons and not the results. Lying to yourself or trying to assuage your discontent by using vitriolic attacks won't do a damn thing to help, but you know that.
You think AVFM is a shit site? I do too BUT that does not invalidate the post. Again, messenger not message. Refute the facts I posted or go lay down. No one cares what you think about me personally, least of which is me. It's intellectually lazy to say "that's bullshit" and not back it up.
Dope: That's a whole other discussion and one I'd gladly have with you if you want to start a thread on it.
You know, this whole discussion started because I said that women are objectified everywhere, not just in Japan. We absolutely MUST recognize the true face of the problem before it can ever be addressed. I'm getting a lot of heat (which is fine) for being the guy pointing at the facts but it doesn't for a minute change what is the current situation. You'll never improve anything by standing on the outside and chanting "this is wrong!". True change happens from within from people who honestly understand the nuts and bolts of the issue and work on fixing the causes/reasons and not the results. Lying to yourself or trying to assuage your discontent by using vitriolic attacks won't do a damn thing to help, but you know that.
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gopostal, you haven't posted any facts outside of that list of "Doctoral Degrees," and you've put your own spin on those facts. Your other source is from a hate site, and if you think it's such a bad source, why even use it? A Voice for Men isn't exactly well known, so why are you going there in the first place if not to legitimize your own world view?
You say that I'm engaging in a character assassination, but you have yet to address any of my points from my previous posts. I've addressed your points, so if you're going to whine, at least try to refute anything that I've said. Thus far, all you've done is complain that you're being personally attacked, when you provide all the ammunition yourself. As far as some of my rebuttals to your arguments go, these are things I learned in high school. I shouldn't have to provide sources for what is (or should be) common knowledge (ie. most of what could be addressed in any basic sociology class). Besides, I'm not going to waste the time finding sources just so you can ignore them like you've done with almost everything else so far.
Women being viewed as sex objects and not as equals does put them under the heel of men. When they're looked at as objects and not people, they are being dominated.
If this were true, why then would there be such virulent opposition to all of those social movements? Why do these movements have significant male opposition to them? If what you said is true, men would ignore these social movements, but they don't.
You mentioned that women are getting more college degrees, but that those are largely service degrees; you also said that men run things because they have business, science, and technical degrees. Why do service degrees suddenly become more important here? Based on what you've said previously, service degrees don't give women much of a boost in terms of gender equality. You basically said that her degrees don't level the playing field with you because they're service based, but this quote makes it seem like you think it at least puts her on par with or better off than you being a mailman. It really can't be both ways.
To put your example of you being a mailman and your wife being a teacher in perspective, depending on where they work, what organization they work for, etc., the average salary for a mailman starts out at around $50k. Again, factoring in for location and organization, the average salary for a teacher tends to be less, with starting salary at $32k. Her degrees don't appear to help all that much in terms of salary, so why are you implying that she's better off than you in some way?
Even though it's an ad for Verizion, this video perfectly illustrates part of the reason why fewer women go into math or science-based fields. They're being repeatedly told by the rest of society that they're valued for their appearance and not their actions, so they're clearly not going to go after those kinds of degrees when they don't think their contributions will be valued.
[M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP3cyRRAfX0[/M]
I don't even know where to start with this. I'm genuinely curious, what makes you think that women live easier lives? Childbirth is one of the most painful experiences a person can go through; the average man will never experience that kind of pain. After that, women are largely the ones who take care of domestic tasks and childcare, even in relationships where both spouses claim they divide work equally; women are expected to be the domestic workers and are raised as such, so of course they're going to do most of the the work in that area. Women don't even get paid for all the work they do, and they do far, far more domestic work than men. In the event of an unintended pregnancy, women are usually the ones who get blamed for it (slut, whore, etc.) and get saddled with the childcare because it was somehow the fault of the woman and her fault alone. Men, on the other hand, get to go out, have all the sex they want, and be "players" and "studs." None of these situations that women face sound "easy" to me.
Beyond that, you've said that men rule the world and always will, but if women live easier lives, wouldn't they be the ones doing less work and making important decisions that would earn them the widespread respect of society?
As for living longer, correlation does not imply causation. You can say that women live better lives because they live longer, but that could simply be boiled down to the fact that women are less likely to engage in risk-taking behavior than men.
That's the same thing that has been said countless times to women, African Americans, and other groups when they mobilized to get the right to vote. Things changed; sure, it took a lot longer than it should have for them to get the right to vote, but things did change. That's the thing about social movements: they don't succeed over night. There is absolutely no reason why society cannot change so that women and men would be genuinely equal. Quite frankly, when you say that nothing will ever change and tell the women in your life that, no matter what they do, they will never be equal to men, you are part of the problem.
You might think that it's harmless to tell people that things will never change, but it's not. You're instilling a sense of defeatism in them that makes them think, "Well, things are never going to get any better, so why try?"
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it's because he's a pedophile.Of course Dopey makes a re-appearance to BUF in a child porn anime discussion.
It isn't only the suggestion of under-agedness that troubles me, it's the idea that people are attracted to the idea of eating an ice cream cone that's been sprayed with wee...
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