So What's the Difference?

Kitty.cat · Oct 27, 2005

This is my insight on the following terminology, because people get all in a tizzy over what's what. Feel free to disagree, but be detailed and explain why, 'cos I think this could be open to some discussion.

Camping = Sitting in a spot covering your own ass for a prolonged period of time
-If it has no objective or point, other than to be cheap, it's camping.
-Sitting in a spot forever with only one exit that isn't in an obvious spot in the map simply to pick off anyone who HAPPENS to come by.

Ambushing = Aquiring a target and setting a trap for it
-If you're moving with a friendly, and he turns a corner to get gunned down, an ambush would be falling back a bit, taking a little hiding spot and waiting for your attacker to move in to your trap, giving a mebbe 10 second safety net (the guy you just ambushed may have had a partner, too), then moving on. Be careful to watch for that partner that might be planning to ambush you as well!
-If you see (or hear?) a tango moving that doesn't see you, and you have the chance, going and setting up a tactical position to pick them off as they go through wherever they've revealed they're moving to.
-If you're organized, you can set up an ambush with several people, using bait, or simply just group defending a, or several, key area(s) (EAS Defenders are 90% of the time ambushing, the attackers being the logically "aquired target," since the Defenders know they will be coming.)

Sniping = Tactical long range attack, usually used while people on your team are sweeping people out for the sniper to pick off
-Think Tiger Hunt (almost all sniping)
-Or, for more specific smaller groups of snipers with sweeping friendlies, imagine CubanDawn on TDM. There is usually one or two guys up on sniper hill waiting to pick off anyone that decides to make the mistake of running out into the FOV of that hill.

The term "picking off" is usually associated with either sniping or ambush.

Ping/-\ · Oct 27, 2005

Camping: Hiding in one stop waiting for rushers to zoom by so that you may shoot them like fish in a barrel. Also, lying prone or crouching on a hilltop and sniping people from a distance. Also, in some cases known as someone hiding in a corner untill the map times out. Camping can be seen as good or evil depending on the method in which is applied when used. Camping in which someone hides in a corner just to time out the round or when it is a 1 on 1 situation is frowned upon. Camping in which one snipes from a distance or picks off rushers also known as tactic or common sense. Sniping/Ambush are a form of camping. There actually is no dictionary definition for game "camping", so technically it is open to interpretation and everyones view on it is valid whether they wish to discredit some or not. (Just like the theory of whether intelligent design exists or whether we are a product of evolution)

cracwhore · Oct 27, 2005

camping

n : the act of encamping and living in tents in a camp [syn: encampment, bivouacking, tenting]

sniped, snip·ing, snipes

1. To shoot at individuals from a concealed place.
2. To shoot snipe.
3. To make malicious, underhand remarks or attacks.

(SDS)benmcl · Oct 27, 2005

Camping and sniping are two entirely different things. If you are sniping you are not camping.

Demosthanese · Oct 27, 2005

Ping/-\ said:
Camping: Hiding in one stop waiting for rushers to zoom by so that you may shoot them like fish in a barrel. Also, lying prone or crouching on a hilltop and sniping people from a distance. Also, in some cases known as someone hiding in a corner untill the map times out. Camping can be seen as good or evil depending on the method in which is applied when used. Camping in which someone hides in a corner just to time out the round or when it is a 1 on 1 situation is frowned upon. Camping in which one snipes from a distance or picks off rushers also known as tactic or common sense. Sniping/Ambush are a form of camping. There actually is no dictionary definition for game "camping", so technically it is open to interpretation and everyones view on it is valid whether they wish to discredit some or not. (Just like the theory of whether intelligent design exists or whether we are a product of evolution)

Let me sumerise your points.
Camping: Not playing like I want you to play.

geogob · Oct 27, 2005

From the little dictionnary of the wannabe CS kiddy:

camping

2. v : action of doing something intelligent, but often percieved as boring by cs-like players.

No seriously, I don't even see why we are having this discussion. If you don't like camping, go play Quake 4. It's fun and no one plays with any tactics similar to camping.

And sniping and camping is the same thing. You hold a position to achieve an objective... what ever the objective is is not important. Blaming someone for camping is pretty dumb. Saying it's boring is even more a sign you are playing the wrong game (IMO, of course).

Ping/-\ · Oct 27, 2005

Demosthanese said:
Let me sumerise your points.
Camping: Not playing like I want you to play.

Let me summarize yours as well:
Playing the way you want me to play = Communist Dictatorship

Demosthanese · Oct 27, 2005

Ping/-\ said:
Let me summarize yours as well:
Playing the way you want me to play = Communist Dictatorship

You do realise that you are calling yourself a Communist Dictator, right? If you do, good luck with that. I hope it works out better for you than it did for Russia.

Vega-don · Oct 27, 2005

camping= in tdm , waiting in a corner of the map while theires nobody passing near you

Ping/-\ · Oct 27, 2005

Demosthanese said:
You do realise that you are calling yourself a Communist Dictator, right? If you do, good luck with that. I hope it works out better for you than it did for Russia.

How you interpreted that is beyond me, but from your post, you wrote that Camping equals me not playing the way you want me to play. As a result, I commented that me playing the way YOU want is equivalent to a communist dictatorship. Somehow you interpreted that I called myself a communist dictator, amusing yet wrong.

Kitty.cat · Oct 27, 2005

Vega-don said:
camping= in tdm , waiting in a corner of the map while theires nobody passing near you

The only way you can really distinguish between camping and sniping is by the perpose of your doing so. Yes, camping is a TDM thing, because noone with any brains would camp (they might snipe, however!) while attacking in DTAS or EAS. But in a TDM situation, you have certain times or methods of camping that aren't particularly acceptable. Tucking yourself into the bathrooms on TexasBank all round, blasting anyone who opens the door would be considered camping. It's also a ridiculous strategy that while I admit I've done it just for ****s is a pretty pathetic tactic. Starting out a round, sitting in your spawn, and hiding there forever is also a bad idea. Let me put it this way. If both teams are doing it, and nothing ever gets accomplished, it's a BAD idea. If it's something like sniping where both teams could be doing it, you could actually get somewhere. Also, as someone like {GD}Swat could tell you, you can move and snipe at the same time. Going from key spot to key spot seeing all you can pick off. TigerHunt again is a great example of this.

Geo - the reason I'm discussing this is because I think a lot of people are very confused about all this, and I'm giving my opinion from years and years of playing realism FPS's in my passtime.
P.S. I love the CS definition

AlmostAlive · Oct 27, 2005

I like to take it slow, waiting people out rather than rushing into a gunfight, shooting at everything that looks like it's moving. So yes, I've been called a camper more than once. Quite frankly, I don't give damn. If I choose to play slow, that's how I'll play. If people don't like it, too bad.

Generally, there is no such thing as camping in Infiltration.

yurch · Oct 27, 2005

Time and again, arguments like these arise from the fact that TDM is a broken gametype, and has been such for over four years. How people can expect any sort of 'selfish' behavior to not show up in such a flawed implementation is completely beyond me.

FieldMedic · Oct 27, 2005

this "camping/sniping/whatever" argument actually reminds me a bit of a good old french parody of hunting documentary from the comical group "Les Inconnus".

"You have 2 kinds of hunters : the good hunter and the bad hunter.
The bad hunter , he will see a movement in a bush, he will shoot.
The good hunter, he will see a movement in a bush, he will shoot ... but he is a good hunter."

Ok that's not funny , but that's certainly because i have no comical talent.

cracwhore · Oct 27, 2005

Almost said:
If I choose to play slow(ly), (then) that's how I'll play. If people don't like it, ~~too bad~~ they can tk me, vote kick me or ban me.

Generally, there is no such thing as ~~camping~~ fun in Infiltration, unless we're playing EAS.

Edited to reflect 'reality'.

UN17 · Oct 27, 2005

What do you call running full sprint at a tango with pistol blazing and occasionally leap dodging from side to side avoiding their bullets before capping them in the head?

(My bet is that Crac would call it 'gay' or 'bull$hi!')

Goooo Team!

Pipe_Dream · Oct 27, 2005

geogob said:
From the little dictionnary of the wannabe CS kiddy

Have you ever in your life taken an unpopular stand for anything? Or are you one of the 'go with the majority' guys? Get off his d1ck, Geo. Serious, why would you call him that? The dude has been a part of this community for years and he's getting his sh1t jumped for having a strong opinion.

Since I can’t say what I really want to, for fear of privilege losses, I'll reply on the DbD forums regarding my thoughts on your cowardly and opportunistic like behavior.

Edit: I got something for Boron, too.

geogob · Oct 27, 2005

Pipe, as usual, I have no clue what you are talking about. But from what I understand, it sounds like the most ironic thing I've ever read on these forums...

Pipe_Dream · Oct 27, 2005

I was hearing the voices again. I feel better now.

Kitty.cat · Oct 27, 2005

FieldMedic said:
this "camping/sniping/whatever" argument actually reminds me a bit of a good old french parody of hunting documentary from the comical group "Les Inconnus".

"You have 2 kinds of hunters : the good hunter and the bad hunter.
The bad hunter , he will see a movement in a bush, he will shoot.
The good hunter, he will see a movement in a bush, he will shoot ... but he is a good hunter."

Ok that's not funny , but that's certainly because i have no comical talent.

I thought it was funny

By the way. This wasn't intended to be an argument...

It was a debate on the definitions of the three terminology. So anyone that wants a fight, take it elsewhere! (Start your OWN thread if you REALLY want! Noone's gonna stop you!)

Also, for Almost - I think taking it slow is fine. There's a difference between taking it slow and hiding in some obscure part of the map and waiting for someone to just HAPPEN to come by. As long as your moving, I think you're fine. Crac may TK you and ban you from all servers, however.

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