A Modest Proposal - Dear American liberals

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Larkin

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Are you really serious? Really? No Really? You are supposed to be this grand pumba of reading knowledge and you don't know what is taught in grade school? WTF is going on?
 
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Larkin

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@dragonfliet: I just want to say I'm all against what he did and I agree it was against the law, but that response was uncalled for. I wanted ideas that could work besides his and all I get is predictable hate. Look I agree with you, and the least you can do is comprehend the post. If you have no real solutions that take into account the situation that was really going on then go away. That includes if you don't know the situation.

Thank you.
 
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Peavey

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That was the most retarded piece of writing I have read in a long time. Of course any jackoff in law school has enough time to sit around with their thumb up their A-S-S and ponder the pointless void that is American politics - THEY don't live in the real world.

American politics are for people who are obsessed with power, who want to be on the winning team. I don't give a damn which party is in power; if what I enjoy doing becomes illegal, I'm not going to stop doing it. People don't have enough balls to distance themselves from this 200 year-old game of mind-numbing namecalling. Seriously America, grow up. The dude who wrote that is just a hateful child who's kissed *** his whole life. He probably has it SO easy, so of course he can shoot his mouth off. I've got a great vernacular as well, but I don't have to spout a bunch of bull**** just to show it off.
 
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Larkin

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People don't have enough balls to distance themselves from this 200 year-old game of mind-numbing namecalling

That was the most retarded piece of writing I have read in a long time. Of course any jackoff in law school has enough time to sit around with their thumb up their A-S-S and ponder the pointless void that is American politics - THEY don't live in the real world.

The dude who wrote that is just a hateful child who's kissed *** his whole life. He probably has it SO easy, so of course he can shoot his mouth off. I've got a great vernacular as well, but I don't have to spout a bunch of bull**** just to show it off

So you have no balls? Interesting.
 
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Sir_Brizz

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You people are saying that the illegal forced removal of entire peoples from their lands, which KILLED nearly half of them, into an arid land so that the government could have the more fertile prosperous land wasn't the worst possible thing?
Yes, they could have killed them all, or forced them to integrate into society where they likely would have died as well. So, no, I don't think it was the worst possible thing, but it certainly wasn't the right thing to do.
No, apparently the worst part was PANDERING. It wasn't that even after STEALING THEIR LAND and forcing them on a DEATH MARCH across the country and THEN systematically isolating and discriminating against them for decades afterward. Oh no, it was when a few people grew a semblance of a soul and decided to let them have SOME sort of self governance as a pittance of an apology.
You call giving them a free ride for life SELF GOVERNANCE? Putting a few people in charge of their cities and building them a public school doesn't change the fact that they are getting massive amounts of welfare. And, yes, I think that is FAR worse than what happened way back when they were put on the reservations, because instead of a few people in one generation passing with nothing useful happening, we have GENERATIONS of people not contributing to society even though that have a lot to offer.
But it's okay, you lived in a geographically isolated place once which was seriously lacking in industry (because it was so poorly located--on purpose) and the people lived in a depressed destitution. They must be lazy.
Most of the reservations WERE poorly located, but with the advancement of communication technology, in particular, that really is no excuse anymore. I lived in an area between Omaha, Nebraska and Sioux City. If they wanted to industrialize this area, it would be EXTREMELY easy.

And I think calling it "depressed destitution" is downplaying the importance of what each individual can do. Frankly, each of them could choose to leave the reservation and make a life for themselves working hard and contributing to society. Several of them do. But far more of them don't do that, and it is partially because they have absolutely no reason to leave their cushy life. The government could do a lot more for them by stopping what they are currently doing, and providing ways for them to integrate into our society in beneficial ways.
 

SlayerDragon

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Phopojijo can't put enough of his brain cells together to get that.

Funny because the last time I checked socialism and the lefts discrimination leads to poverty and no individual rights. Go figure... :p

That article was fail for you...

here



and here



Its kind of pointless if they fail to keep people liberal.



Because gay marriage is a right. Try again.

My point was that any leaning in College has most likely very little to do with how they really feel about things. It more then likely has more to do with peer pressure, and still learning the issues.



Its a man made institution. If you can't understand how that alone makes it not a god given right then you are not worth my time.

Was this here before? I swear I didn't see this when I responded to this post earlier.

Tell me, where are you or your left leaning friends not blinding yourself with your own opinions? Well?

Btw, learn what neocon means or better yet learn what my views are and then compare them to a neocons.

We need every thread to turn into healthcare is the problem. :rolleyes:

EVEN IF THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

If I wanted to argue with the little rock I would need the power of Thor.

The truth can be like anal for the first time. :lol:

Phopojijo can't put enough of his brain cells together to get that.

Funny because the last time I checked socialism and the lefts discrimination leads to poverty and no individual rights. Go figure... :p

That article was fail for you...

here



and here



Its kind of pointless if they fail to keep people liberal.



Because gay marriage is a right. Try again.

My point was that any leaning in College has most likely very little to do with how they really feel about things. It more then likely has more to do with peer pressure, and still learning the issues.



Its a man made institution. If you can't understand how that alone makes it not a god given right then you are not worth my time.

Was this here before? I swear I didn't see this when I responded to this post earlier.

Tell me, where are you or your left leaning friends not blinding yourself with your own opinions? Well?

Btw, learn what neocon means or better yet learn what my views are and then compare them to a neocons.

We need every thread to turn into healthcare is the problem. :rolleyes:

EVEN IF THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRIVATE SCHOOLS.

If I wanted to argue with the little rock I would need the power of Thor.

The truth can be like anal for the first time. :lol:

I know this isn't what you meant, but...


I wonder how many people would like to be in Andrew Jackson shoes on that one. Can any of you guys come with a better solution to the problem? I know I can't, but just wondering if any of you guys have a working solution to the problem that would of been feasible at the time. Not saying I agree with his decision now, but still I would love to hear a better one.

Do you know why I said what I said?

Do you need a hint?

Tell me genius, what does healthcare have to do with starting a business?

Answer the question. Do you need healhcare insurance to start a business?

Btw, the answer is no.

Healthcare insurance isn't needed to get yourself going in life. Now if you please, I have other morons to argue with.

Yeah? Well lets see where I was wrong. Hmmm...

Did you find where I said something false?

Expected no thought response....sigh.

Maybe think beyond face value or better yet understand that neither one of us said it was alright.

Feels like I'm arguing with grade schoolers today. WTF!

Do you fail on purpose, or does it just happen? Learn about the struggle a bit more, geez.

Are you really serious? Really? No Really? You are supposed to be this grand pumba of reading knowledge and you don't know what is taught in grade school? WTF is going on?

@dragonfliet: I just want to say I'm all against what he did and I agree it was against the law, but that response was uncalled for. I wanted ideas that could work besides his and all I get is predictable hate. Look I agree with you, and the least you can do is comprehend the post. If you have no real solutions that take into account the situation that was really going on then go away. That includes if you don't know the situation.

Thank you.

So you have no balls? Interesting.

Worst poster or worst poster?
 

dragonfliet

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And I think calling it "depressed destitution" is downplaying the importance of what each individual can do. Frankly, each of them could choose to leave the reservation and make a life for themselves working hard and contributing to society. Several of them do. But far more of them don't do that, and it is partially because they have absolutely no reason to leave their cushy life. The government could do a lot more for them by stopping what they are currently doing, and providing ways for them to integrate into our society in beneficial ways.

I think that part of the problem is that you look at the reservation and then make generalizations based off of that. Most Natvie Americans that make it don't come back to the reservation (just as those who succeed from the ghetto or trailer parks don't come back to them). These reservations aren't huge bustling centers of people so the majority are going off and trying to do something and so you have the bottom section of the equation staying put, which is part of the reason that the areas are so depressed (both economically and depressing).

And Cushy? Life like that is not cushy. There is a reason that native americans living on reservations have significantly higher levels of poverty, depression and alcoholism.

But part of the problem is that when a people is systematically discriminated against for hundreds of years, it makes reintegration very difficult. Both because there is a cycle of poverty to overcome (and while some individuals CAN do this, it is much harder for the majority) and the people breed a distrust of the oppressors (go figure). You see this an many, many, many impoversed sections of the US.

We do, however agree that the gvt SHOULD be doing more in the way of properly funded programs, higher emphasis on education, etc.

~Jason
 

Jacks:Revenge

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somewhere; sometime?
But you've made an incredible leap in logic by stating that most people can't start their own business because of their current (in)accessibility to healthcare.
I never made that leap. You made it for me, you're putting words in my mouth.
I just pointed out how difficult it is to change jobs or start a business based on the health care issue. I never said that they couldn't do those things because health insurance is some kind of mandate.

You said that. Not me.
I know how things work practically. Anyone can start a business and change jobs without having health care. But realistically, most people can't start a business or change jobs because they might not be able to get new coverage, which is wrong.
We're not mandated to have health insurance right now
yeah but you've got no problem with the government mandate on auto insurance :eek:
well, maybe you do. regardless....
Finally, wouldn't it be much better if we didn't have to jump through bureaucratic hoop after hoop to care for ourselves?
You act like the system now is free of a middle man.
There's already a guy in a suit telling you what care you can and cannot get.
 

dragonfliet

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why would you get the care you don't need and why would you know best?
Surely that would waste money, time and resources.

I can't tell if you're joking or not, but unfortunately your insurance not covering something doesn't mean you don't need it or that it isn't the best plan of action.

~Jason
 

Sir_Brizz

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I never made that leap. You made it for me, you're putting words in my mouth.
I just pointed out how difficult it is to change jobs or start a business based on the health care issue. I never said that they couldn't do those things because health insurance is some kind of mandate.

You said that. Not me.
I know how things work practically. Anyone can start a business and change jobs without having health care. But realistically, most people can't start a business or change jobs because they might not be able to get new coverage, which is wrong.
Do you mean because of limitations on pre-existing conditions or something?

At any rate, what hal talked about earlier is the perfect solution for this, better regulation of insurance companies directly and removing a fabricated attachment to employment. Having people pay more for their regular care and less for catastrophic care and have people deal directly with their insurance companies. This would drive prices down and allow people who aren't working for AIG to get a reasonable health insurance plan whether they were unemployed or starting a new business.
yeah but you've got no problem with the government mandate on auto insurance :eek:
well, maybe you do. regardless....
The difference with this mandate is that it is not designed to protect you OR your car. It's designed to protect other people and their cars from you.